Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward A. Vincent


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 22:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Edward A. Vincent

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 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 02:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Ordinary surveyor whose name is mentioned only peripherally in connection with a few surveys by outside sources. Sounds pretty much like someone's ancestor (genealogy) rather than real notability. Student7 (talk) 12:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The article has appropriate period (19th century) references. The fact that he receives mention in contemporary media as well, although not used in the article, speaks to his notability as does the building of a replica of his original design of the Atlanta Depot for the Stone Mountain Park Depot in 1987. Given the level of interest in anything related to the Civil War and the antebellum South in particular, I believe readers may well be interested in him. (He mapped both the cities of Atlanta and Savannah prior to Sherman's March through Georgia, both of which survive. ) Soapbox: I know this isn't the place but this is what is wrong with wikipedia. If it can't be click click seen, it is likely to be gone. Some ace detective/ Civil War buff has gone to a tremendous amount of effort tracking down sources to chronicle an amazing historical individual (He died at age 30!) for wikipedia and it's about to be nixed. "Notability is not temporary: a topic needs to have had sufficient coverage in reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline, but it does not need to have ongoing coverage." Yeah right.  Eudemis (talk) 16:01, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Notability is not temporary. The Union Depot was probably the most significant antebellum building in Atlanta, and one of the most significant in the South when Sherman burned the place down. It was notable enough to be rebuilt in replica He is well-documented in the media of the time, and was clearly notable in 1853 for multiple reasons in several places. His documentation of antebellum Atlanta and Savannah is a significant historical resource and reference.   Acroterion  (talk)  21:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep I am the author of this article and have spent some time reading over the notability page. To better satisfy those requirements, I have added additional sources. I plan to add the AJC article referenced by Eudemis once I can see the actual newspaper. Submitting this information to Wikipedia is part of a longer process that involves writing a paper about him in my graduate studies and submitting a substantial paper about him to the Georgia Historical Quarterly for peer reviewed publication. I think adding information about the re-purposing of his maps during the Civil War, as well as the replica at Stone Mountain, will make for a better article. Vincent is a difficult character to get to know because his family is unknown, he had no children, and his life was cut short right at the beginning of his career. He was a notable figure in Georgia from 1852 to 1854 and scholars have returned to his work repeatedly over the last 100 years. Paul K. Graham (talk) 20:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Vincent's work, though brief, is important to early Atlanta and Savannah history, and his life is difficult to research. This is an important entry.  At this point, it seems that there is more to come, and I, for one, would like to know what it is.  I vote to keep this entry. Deborah E. Harvey, 7 May 2010.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dharvey8 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The article is unbiased and has direct relevance to the history of the antebellum South. It allows others interested in the Civil War history of Georgia to add sources that may otherwise lack context. The author has gone to great lengths to provide that context and I hope this will inspire more research on historical figures whose contributions have gone unnoticed. Chapmanmb (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)MChapman
 * Keep I just found this page from a Google search for Edward A Vincent, I had seen his name on a directory of maps at the archives.gov and wanted to determine if he was the cartographer on a map I had found in College Park back in 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.38.134.150 (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep The extensive research done on Vincent is of great importance to anyone doing research on the early development of Atlanta, Macon, and Savannah. I am also looking forward to seeing what future research on Vincent will uncover. Marycatharine (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * AGF Keep. Of course, we cannot check online for references that are more than 100 years old, but the article does assert that such sources do exist. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 04:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: While I'm concerned that two of the above might be SPAs, I would like to assume Acroterion knows what they are talking about in asserting that the building is a notable landmark in pre-war Atlanta.  With that in mind, I'd prefer to bring up WP:PAPER, and keep the article pending further sources.  Coincidentally, I just read about Sherman's March last night!  (I'm Canadian, so it's less likely than it might sound.)  - BalthCat (talk) 05:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Vincent's depot was the inspiration for the entrance to the Mall of Georgia. Paul K. Graham (talk) 13:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm quite comfortable with the simple fact that the person is remembered, although locally (his building has been recreated near Stone Mountain - I added reference). A more general note: keep in mind that our subject belonged to a fast-growing culture that was cut down by a war; people who shaped it simply did not have a whole life to practice their art. Coverage of antebellum history (and similar short-lived cultures elsewhere) will be very very incomplete if limited only to unconditionally notable people. East of Borschov (talk) 06:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.