Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Baker Lincoln (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 23:44, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Edward Baker Lincoln
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Fails WP:BIO. A three-year-old who gained no notability in his own right. Notability is not conferred from famous relatives. Kbabej (talk) 19:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Kbabej (talk) 19:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
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 * Merge William Wallace Lincoln, Edward Baker Lincoln, and Tad Lincoln into a single article, Descendants of Abraham Lincoln. See also Articles for deletion/William Wallace Lincoln (same). bd2412  T 22:51, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - Eddie has some coverage in many biographies of Lincoln as well as in scholarship on white house life (and deaths). I am away from my desk and can't say for sure if the coverage is often in depth, but we know more about this person than perhaps any other frontier child from that era who died so young. For this reason I didn't !vote "weak keep" although the evidence isn't as clear as for Willie. As I noted in the Willie's AFD, when people are known and famed only because they are related to another person, it is important not to confuse a dictionary definition of "notability in ones own right" and WP:N. Similarly, WP:INHERIT doesn't say that notability shouldn't be established using a biography of a relative or another person. Smmurphy(Talk) 14:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - As with the Willie Lincoln article this is a difficult call, but is even less clear cut. The big difference for me is that Willie died while Lincoln was in the White House and his death (and to an extent his life) can more clearly be argued to have had an important impact on the Lincoln presidency than Eddie's. As it stands I think the article is useful, but I am not sure if the subject meets notability in his own right. If deletion is decided upon the material should be moved elsewhere, possibly to a family of Abraham Lincoln article. Dunarc (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. While Edward Baker Lincoln does not apparently fulfill the additional WP:ANYBIO parameters, he does fulfill WP:BASIC & WP:GNG. His life & his death are an important part of our understanding of Abraham Lincoln and of Mary Todd Lincoln. Shearonink (talk) 13:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep -- sufficient sourcing for a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:57, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per Shearonink. —  InsertCleverPhraseHere  13:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
 * DElete or redirect to father. Well-sourced but completely NN, apart from notability inherited from father.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)


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