Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Hutchison


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was. Delete, with no prejudice or opinion about a possible new article titled Hand Rating System.

Edward Hutchison

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Per WP:NN. No media coverage found on Google, Google News, Yahoo! or MSN. Google hits are his own web site, this Wikipedia page (that was fast as the article was only created yesterday) and numerous forums, blogs and NN poker sites. All of the references in the article are his own web sites. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 18:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The biographical details have been kept at a minimum - and they are the ones which have been sourced to Hutchison's websites. (I would think the info about him being married and having children is accurate!..) The emphasis on the article is on his Hand Rating System, which is an important concept in poker games, e.g. Omaha, because it introduced a Bridge-like system into poker -- and for this there are certainly independent sources! I'll replace the sources of the system's author with independent sources. -The Gnome (talk) 19:45, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well maybe there should be an article Hand Rating System created dealing with that as the subject and include this person in that article. He's certainly not notable for his own article. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 19:51, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He seems to be fairly known amongst the poker community, especially Omaha players (see here). What do we do about a person who's famous for one thing and one thing only? Such persons are usually not denied a biographical entry/stub in Wikipedia. (Recall the Glasgow airport worker who beat up that terrorist - can you?) Perhaps the article should be renamed "Hutchison Hand Rating System" and include a biographical summary about its inventor. -The Gnome (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the article should be renamed "Hutchison Hand Rating System" and include a biographical summary about its inventor.
 * That's essentially what I said. The focus more on the system and what it entails than on the person that came up with it. Your call, but it has to be done before someone else "votes" here, otherwise the AfD will have to run its course. If you don't know how to move an article, let me know. - &#10032; ALLSTAR &#10032; echo 20:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't mind allowing the AfD to run its course; I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, anyway. The comment by 2005 herebelow ("If inventing the point count system doesn't make him notable, then neither is the system itself") is very interesting. -The Gnome (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Comment. The Omaha point count system is known to some degree; I have never seen anyone refer to it for other games. I would immediately AFD an article on the point count system as it doesn't stand on its own. It's an invention of a person. A similar system can be found at Bill Chen. I strongly believe we should be consistent with things like this, so if the point count system is talked about, it should be in an article about Hutchison. If inventing the point count system doesn't make him notable, then neither is the system itself. One further note, the point count system is not very good, but its fame or notability is irrelevant to whether it stinks or not. At this point my contribution would be to weakly Keep but strongly oppose renaming. 2005 (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's also Michael Capeletti's system for example. Hutchison's is supposed to be apply for both Omaha High and Omaha High/Low. Although its inventor, and other players, supports its use for other poker variants, I cannot recall this being the case to any significant degree at all. You wrote, "The point count system is not very good, but its fame or notability is irrelevant to whether it stinks or not". Totally agree. (I will now check out Wiki for a John Patrick entry, if you don't mind.) -The Gnome (talk) 09:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't feel that a case has been made for the notability of Hutchison or his system. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  14:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the create article idea. Create Hand Rating System, and bring in Hutchison's counting system, and other notable systems (being careful not to just create an unending list).  Short biographical content on creators.  Redirect Edward Hutchison to the new article. StephenBuxton (talk) 17:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.