Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Lisovskii


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Childfree Russia with the option of merging sourceable content. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Edward Lisovskii

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Does not meet WP:GNG: coverage is never of Lisovskii himself, but rather interviews or addresses him as a spokesperson for Childfree Russia. I think that the assembled sources do establish the notability of that organization, but editors working on the page have ignored my suggestion to convert this article into an article about the group. I was unable to find any better coverage in Russian online, searching through Bing, Google, and Yandex/Dzen. signed,Rosguill talk 16:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics and Russia. signed,Rosguill talk 16:55, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Just published a separate page about Childfree Russia as you suggested GeryLud (talk) 12:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:03, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as Lisovskii is the only public figure and an opposing to current Kremlin regime activist who is developing childfree movement in Russia and forced Russian legislators even to adopt a new law which forbids to spread "childfree propaganda". There is also a problem, that many good sources are coming from a banned Lenta.ru news website, which is one of the biggest in Russia and in terms of critics of Lisovskii it is kind of reliable (but not about Russian-Ukraine war of course). Also, as s possible resolution, I've created a separate page Childfree Russia. Maybe the both pages could be united. --GeryLud (talk) 12:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In the absence of significant coverage about Lisovskii outside the context of Childfree Russia, I think that merge to Childfree Russia is appropriate. signed,Rosguill talk 15:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge with related pages. There is no page about him on Russian wiki. He is mentioned, though, in the article ru:Чайлдфри (i.e. "Childfree"), but there is a looped link to the English Edward Lisovskii page in question, which is not okay. The cited news links there include his media, but don't mention his name directly. And if it does somewhere, it'd be a WP:WI1E case for now. --Suitskvarts (talk) 09:30, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I have updated a page Childfree Russian with new links and details. --GeryLud (talk) 16:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 17:44, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Isn't notable at all, lots of people who are activists or create companies aren't notable, this one is no exception. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 05:18, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep notable as the founder of quite big social and ideological movements. Taking into consideration the fact, that any movement in Russia is usually suppressed, that is kind of risky activity. As an activist in exile Lisovskii seems to be notable. New sources were added by me to the article too. 2A00:1370:819C:17E7:405E:2FDB:3166:2251 (talk) 12:01, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * N.b., the aforementioned sources added by this IP were in the article at the time of the AfD nomination. signed,Rosguill talk 19:37, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep quite possible the person meets anybio per pioneering in social movement and oppression in authoritarian country . 多少 战场 龙 (talk) 13:21, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a rather creative interpretation of WP:ANYBIO. signed,Rosguill talk 19:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect or merge to the article about the foundation, I don't see notable coverage about him as an individual. Oaktree b (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist, in light of new content added to the article yesterday. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:02, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've added new facts and sources to the article, namely how Kremlin forced Lisovskii to praise Russian occupation of Crimea; Lisovskii's online communities had 1 million users before being blocked in 2013-2014; and that he and his team consult over 7000 Russian women on childfree and getting pregnant decision. 178.217.44.176 (talk) 13:49, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I consider, that the person got general notability per sources analyses and achievements. 178.217.44.176 (talk) 13:50, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, there have been no edits since this was nominated for AfD on November 19th. IPs insistent claims that they have provided new material are crossing over into disruption, particularly considering that when you look at the article's edit history, the only source added by IP edits is this one, which doesn't even mention Lisovskii. signed,Rosguill talk 15:54, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rosguill that was me. I registered an account. sorry for that. the browser did not save my changes. I again put them into the article. now successfully. Дядя Пётр (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up, although I think that the cited sources suffer from the same problem as the prior sources: they cover Lisovskii only in the context of his capacity as a spokesperson and founder of Childfree Russia--for as long as that remains his only claim to fame, his biography should be merged to the organization's article. signed,Rosguill talk 16:54, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Childfree. Notability is largely WP:INHERITED from the organisation. MrsSnoozyTurtle 07:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete as a spokesperson it seems like he's only notable because of the organization. Maybe any additional information about him can be added there? BuySomeApples (talk) 07:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.