Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Quist


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Skomorokh 18:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Edward Quist

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Fails WP:BIO. I have been unable to find any reliable sources in Google News Archive to establish the subject's notability. His IMDb page shows two films which he directed/produced. Kuvaputki, one of his films, has a Wikipedia article; however, notability is not inherited. This article should be deleted per WP:V and WP:BLP. Cunard (talk) 20:49, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * delete maybe he will be notable some day, but he isn't now. Uucp (talk) 04:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * keep Google News archive does note the subject. Finnish Mainstream Newspaper. Brainwashed  93.182.138.10 (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

--He has garnered press internationally, non-self published -mefeddia -Envoy

-The New Current

-Slice Magazine

-Rapporto Confidenziale

-Inoza

-Art En La Red

-Nero Magazine

-Zimbio

-Mefeddia

-Buenos Aliens

-Times Online

-Arjan Writes

-PhinnWeb

93.182.138.10 (talk) 02:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * All of the sources are insufficient. They are either written by him, mention him in passing, or don't even mention him at all. Cunard (talk) 01:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * keep This qualifies him as "(b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition," noting the prominent museums.93.182.133.56 (talk) 01:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note that the edit records and IP addresses on the two posts above suggest that they are the same person, pulling a sock puppet. If I had to bet, it's the subject of the AFD trying to save his vanity page. Uucp (talk)
 * I concur. Cunard (talk) 01:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The sock puppets are also trying to hijack the AFD for one of Quist's personal projects, [|//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kuvaputki]. Uucp (talk) 03:57, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: There are 3 participants in this discussion; one is a registered user, while the other two are IPs. The IPs appear to be the same person, so I have relisted this AfD to generate more input. Cunard (talk) 21:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: subject lacked news articles that feature him. Alexius08 (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * As I mentioned in the Kuvaputki AfD, the more input the better. Again I am refuting the claim that I am both editors. Allegations of Sock Puppeting I made the edits from 93.182.133.56, but not 93.182.138.10.  Furthermore, those that use the same internet service provider, are not the same person. While I can see how you see this as a red flag, it is in no way proof that I am a sock puppet. From your line of thinking when one who uses an IP address from the same ISP, they are the same person, people do edit from dynamic ip addresses, most people do have dynamic ips. I now see the importance of creating an account. As for the claim a sock puppet editing this page, for further transparency, I created this account so my edits are associated with my new found user name. I know I should not take the sock puppet allegations personally, but I am NOT Quist, have no connections with him. I am just a "regular" person, who is passionate about work in this genre. I am not hiding my identity, sock puppeting, in any way. I'll even give my real name, Frank Lee, with nothing to hide.

Let us then keep this discussion on subject instead of alleging sock puppeting. While I am a fan of the genre, this should not require me to recuse myself from this discussion, as long as neutrality is maintained.  Notability In the case of artists, it is very difficult to justify notability as being inherited. For instance Emily Dickinson led a life that wasn't particularly notable. She had only a few poems published in her lifetime, but her work is what makes her notable. The notability of Quist's work makes him notable.
 * Also as mentioned in the Kuvaputki AfD, claim that this article was written by him is clearly wrong as the author of work signed the article. Valerio Mannucci. And it is quite a bad review which not the type of article an artist would write.
 * The Milan Film Festival's highlights feature Geoffredo Fofi, a brief interview of Quist showing some footage of the film and ending with a similairy brief appearance by Vincent Gallo
 * In Andergraund, a well circulated Italian magazine, Embryoroom, Quist's moniker, and Del Marquis were interviewed
 * A prominent figure in the abduction phenomenon, Whitley Strieber has taken note of Quist's work. Specifically, the Third Rail. This is especially significant as Hazmazk and the Third Rail deal directly with subject Mr. Strieber is intimate.

evening."
 * Rapporto Confidenziale which covers many mainstream movies from A Clockwork Orange to Funny Games, and its American remake makes note of Quist.
 * ADN mentions in this issue that Edward Quist's exhibitions of Hazmazk and Kuvaputki were "the highlight of


 * postmoderní psychóza reviews his work Hazmazk, (Google's translation) "Penetration into the heart of existential solitude. Impressive black and white patterns, which describes the initial poverty, cut in rhythm ambient collage.'

As a Label and Recording Artist
 * Plug in Music Magazine notes the political nature of his work mentioning the video, The Third Rail, includes Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni as well as liking it to Fritz Lang's "dystopian vision"


 * Ventvox notes Embryoroom's role in the release of Scissor Sisters' guitarist Del Marquis both as collaborator and label.


 * Del Marquis mentions on the Pepsimaxcast Embryoroom as his label.


 * Condemned to Rock and Roll details the collaboration of Embryoroom and Del Marquis.


 * Idiomag notes Embryoroom's release Litter to Society


 * He is also an artist signed to label Blast First Petite who releases other prominent acts including Bruce Springsteen and Primal Scream and is noted on Blast First's myspace page.

So let's add tags to see to it that the article is cleaned up, but not deleted.F Lee001 (talk) 02:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: I am unsure about the reliability of the links that F Lee001 has posted, so I have listed this discussion at two deletion sorting links. Hopefully, one of the editors there can evaluate these sources. Cunard (talk) 02:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  —Cunard (talk) 02:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.


 * Delete. Lots of sources but I cannot see any that demonstrate the notability of the subject. I would much prefer one or two decent reliable sources to 30 or so poor ones. Unfortunately I cannot see even one that is much good. Quantpole (talk) 17:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. What makes Rapporto Confidenziale, and Andergraund unreliable? They are all factual reputable publications.  Mainstream newspaper The Guardian took note, specifically Paul Lester, who also writes for GQ, Sunday Times, Daily Telegraph, and many pop bios, Janet Jackson, Sex Pistols, and Mick Jagger and in the last paragraph of the article dealing with Embryoroom states
 * ""Almost as amazing are the sci-fi episodes created by Marquis and something called the Embryoroom Multimedia Group that accompany the music. The shorts make up the project "Shadow" and tell a story. In the first video Marquis plays a character named Viz, a prisoner on a train drifting in and out of consciousness, his identity scanned by a figure in the darkness. All very Outer Limits. We like it, and we're drawn to the project as a whole. But we'd like a few more decent tunes to go with it.""

This should satisfy as a reliable source. Investigating the sources would clearly show their integrity.
 * The subject's work has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition,
 * The Kiasma Museum of Contemporary Art here is the listing of the showing if you click screenings.
 * Kunsthalle Wein this listing is here
 * Envoy Gallery here
 * Barcelona Museum of Contemporary Art with its listing here.
 * Ikon Gallery in their Ikon East wing, noted here.

Per the guidelines, "The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating" a work "that has been the subject of has been of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." His work with Pan Sonic, and Del Marquis has received such attention. The only argument is that the sources aren't reliable, but the magazines listed above and The Guardian meet the criteria. F Lee001 (talk) 19:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Directing a notable film is notability. G News archive does not cover some areas and topics  very well, & a negative result on it is meaningless, unless you would reasonably expect mainstream US coverage. The sources are fully adequate.    DGG ( talk ) 22:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Directing a notable film IS notable. Lack of mainstrean English sources is not a reason to delete. Yes, the article is in a sad state and need a major sandblasting. Puppets aside... notability is notability. The article can be improved through the course of normal editing. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 03:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


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