Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Tuhey


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The result was redirect to List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana. Content can be merged from history. ansh 666 06:42, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Edward Tuhey

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Biographies of former mayors, in a city not large enough to hand its mayors an automatic presumption of notability just for existing. But the articles aren't referenced well enough to pass WP:NPOL #2 as the subject of significant press coverage -- the only source present in all but one of these articles is a single omnibus list of all of the city's past mayors, which isn't enough by itself to clear WP:GNG, and the only one that cites any source besides that just cites the "finding aid" file to an archive of the subject's personal papers (which is not a notability-assisting source in and of itself either.) We require much more substance, and much more sourcing, than this before we consider a mayor notable enough to have an encyclopedia article. And don't be fooled by the statement that Leonidas Guthrie was a "Delaware circuit court judge", either — it means the Delaware County in Indiana that Muncie is the seat of, not Delaware the state, but county court judges aren't considered automatically notable either. Bearcat (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete I applaud this rooting out of the overabundant articles on small town mayors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Edward Tuhey No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Job Swain No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Charles W. Sherritt No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Charles W. Kilgore No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Frank Ellis (Indiana politician) No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep John Brady (Indiana politician) No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Arthur W. Brady No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Leonidas Guthrie No evidence of a problem. Unscintillating (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
 * How is there "no evidence of a problem"? Wikipedia's notability standard for mayors, as spelled out by WP:NPOL, requires significant reliable source coverage, not just the ability to single-source the baseline fact that they existed to a blurb in an omnibus listicle. And incidentally, it's entirely unnecessary and inappropriate to provide a separate identical "keep" rationale for each individual article in a batch nomination — if you're going to make the same argument for each article, then you need to do that as one "vote" that addresses them all rather than as eight separate "votes". Bearcat (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * No two mayors are alike, and I have chosen here to treat the contributions of each article as precious enough to be worthy of individual attention and respect. Unscintillating (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * You've got some curious definition of "precious" if unsubstantive stub articles that are all sourced exclusively to a single omnibus listicle surpasses it. Bearcat (talk) 03:12, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * To answer your question, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You were advised of discussion guidelines when you posted your nomination.  You were also advised, "When discussing an article, remember to consider alternatives to deletion", but you have chosen to ignore our deletion policy.  Unscintillating (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Absence of evidence may not be evidence of absence, but absence of adequate sourceability most certainly is a Wikipedia deletion criterion. HTH, HAND. Bearcat (talk) 03:12, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:VAGUEWAVE is part of WP:ATA, and explains that just pointing to a policy is not helpful to explain an editor's viewpoint. "Adequate sourceability" is not a policy based term. Not only could this relate to either WP:DEL7 or WP:DEL8, it might be read as a moving the goalpost argument, or as misdirection to avoid responding regarding WP:BEFORE and WP:Deletion policy, or as an attempt to shift the burden of evidence in the mind of the closer.  Unscintillating (talk) 17:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
 * DEL7 and DEL8 are both listed as reasons why an article should be deleted, yet for some reason you keep raising them as if they represented counterarguments that somehow militated against deletion. And nobody moved any goalposts, either: a mayor's notability is conditional on his or her depth of sourceability, not just on being able to single-source the basic fact that he or she existed. Bearcat (talk) 16:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 17:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Question for nominator: How would the deletion of these articles make Wikipedia a better encylopedia. What is the problem with their existence? Egaoblai (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Lack of adequate sourcing to demonstrate that they pass a notability standard. Wikipedia's job is not to keep minimally sourced articles about everybody who ever existed; our job is to keep properly sourced articles about people who pass one or more notability criteria. Bearcat (talk) 18:14, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge and redirect all into List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana. The information presented in that list article can be expanded (perhaps with a "notes" column) to encompass the details related in these articles. bd2412  T 03:07, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Final relist.
 * Merge and redirect all into List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana per above. There's just not much here other than terms of office and reduplication of city history. Mangoe (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete all. Mayors of a medium-sized city. NN. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baby miss fortune 13:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect into List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana. Individual articles are not notable enough to stand on their own and have next to no content. Not a directory. sixty nine   • whaddya want? •  18:29, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect into List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana. L3X1 (distænt write)  19:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete All- List of mayors of Muncie, Indiana is enough, none of these people are individually notable.--Rusf10 (talk) 19:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.