Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edwin Alfred Provencal


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The result was delete. North America1000 23:07, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Edwin Alfred Provencal

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Really non-notable. Coverage is profiles, routine announcements, and mandated news as the company is partially government owned.  scope_creep Talk  19:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, clpo13(talk) 22:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC) Keep. The company he heads is not partially owned as the nominator suggested. It is fully owned by the Ghana Government, making the article subject a key Government appointee. See the wikipedia list: List of Akufo-Addo government ministers and political appointees. User:Ataavi 7:45 AM. 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That may be the case but the coverage is not there.   scope_creep Talk  14:28, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:56, 19 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 10:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - While he's quoted in a few articles, the articles are about "BOST" and not necessarily profiling or featuring the subject. What I found did not satisfy me enough to have the subject qualify for WP:GNG nor WP:BASIC. Missvain (talk) 17:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. Per WP:NPOL, the article subject matter is notable. I suggest that angle should also be considered and not only the nature of source material for the article. I have stated the article subject matter is a key Government appointee and that I believed informed its creation. Ataavi 6:45 AM. 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * How can he met WP:NPOL. That is the most absurd thing I have ever read in my puff. He is a director of a business. We will go through the references today.   scope_creep Talk  11:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Lets look at the references, for this BLP:
 * Ref 1 This is a profile. Not independent.
 * Ref 2 Short interview at the Civil Society, recorded  Its looks paper, so it primary.
 * Ref 3 In an interview with Peacefmonline.com, Another short interview. Primary.
 * Ref 4 This is a press-release.
 * Ref 5 This is a press-release.
 * Ref 6 This is a press-release. Routine annoucement of job.
 * Ref 7 Source GNA. It is another press-release.

The references are a mix of press releases, routine annoucements and three short interviews that are primary.  scope_creep Talk  14:46, 28 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. By saying he is a "director of a business", are you disputing my claim of him being a key Government appointee? You have already made the previous false claim of BOST being partially owned. BOST is a Ghanaian government agency charged to keep strategic national petroleum reserves amongst other functions. In 2019 after a national scandal at BOST, the managing director of BOST was replaced with the article subject-matter on a direct appointment from the president of Ghana. Like any officeholder appointed by the presidency, once the president term is over, the person must leave office unless re-appointed by letter. In 2021, Provencal was re-appointed through a letter from the president. So what's your claim of maintaining that he is a director of a business when the officeholder is appointed by a letter from the president?


 * I may side with you that the article may need more secondary coverage in the Ghanaian media other than what the references provide but the Ghanaian media is not one to devote columns to deep coverage of public office holders. Ataavi (talk) 8:27 AM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * He was appointed by the government due the fact the industry is nationalised, not because he is a politician. There is no WP:SECONDARY sources on the guy.   scope_creep Talk  11:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Which industry is nationalised? Come clearer. You are very very wrong if it is what I think you mean but I will let you clarify. Edwin Provencal engages in politics now. Visit his facebook wall and scroll down and you will see him campaigning for members of the New Patriotic Party. He campaigned for the former energy minister under whom he served as his technical advisor at the ministry of energy for parliament and the current president before and during the presidential elections. I have commented about this secondary coverage thing above. You are recycling arguments and making word changes to it.Ataavi (talk) 5:18 PM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * He is oilman and perhaps a consultant to some party in government, but that doesn't make him a politician.   scope_creep Talk  17:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * An oilman by definition is an owner or ordinarily an employee of an oil company. He is not. You say 'perhaps' in your next statement which shows you say what you say with no certainty. Do we have consultants appearing at party rallies to campaign or openly using their social media handles to endorse candidates? Or do we have a president being commended by a local chief for appointing a mere consultant? He is a POLITICAL OFFICE HOLDER. This story proves it: {Ga Mantse thankful to President for appointing Ga Native as first female Mayor of Accra|https://www.ama.gov.gh/news-details.php?n=OHAwNzBxc3NwMzkwNXE2N3FuNTFzNzhxOTBuNzQwcnBycTdyODMwOA==} . Here's the quote in the story;
 * "'Nii Tackie Teiko Tsuru II said this when President Akufo-Addo called on him at the Ga Mantse Palace on day two of his tour of the Greater Accra Region on Friday (October 22, 2021). He also mentioned the likes of Hon Stanley Nii Adjiri Blankson, and Mr Enoch Teye Mensah, representatives of the Council of State for the Greater Accra Region, Greater Accra Regional Minister, Henry Quartey, Shirley Ayorkor Botchwey Minister for Foreign Affairs and Regional Integration and Mr Edwin Provencal Chief Executive Officer for the Bulk Oil and Transport (BOST) company limited as natives of the Ga state appointed by the President.'" You have also failed to engage my earlier query to the industry you say have been nationalised. It is clear you do not have understanding of neither the nature of office occupied or the nature of company headed. Give up. Ataavi (talk) 6:02 PM. 29 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete ultimately, I agree with scope creep's assessment of the sources. None of them are sufficient to meet the requirements set out at WP:GNG. Notwithstanding a lot of chat above, using different terms and titles to frame his relevance, his notability is not sufficient for the standards required for ENWP per GNG. Daniel (talk) 10:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete after reviewing  scope_creep Talk post, fails WP:GNG. Devokewater (talk)  15:18, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per scope_creep. Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:22, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


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