Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Efe Ejeba


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Clear consensus after discounting the !votes of participants with few edits outside this discussion. Please note that this is not intended to impugn their motives; however, editors with little experience in editing Wikipedia are not likely to have a grasp of sourcing and notability requirements. bd2412 T 00:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Efe Ejeba

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Subject of article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC and has not received significant coverage in reliable sources. Article is written like an advert and the author seems too closely related to the subject of the article herein a WP:COI arises and as thus, neutrality of article is questioned. My !vote! is a strong delete this, maybe, is a case of WP:TOOSOON On further observation, my guess is correct! the 'significance' of this articles subject centers on a cash prize he recently won about 3 weeks ago. Hence, a case of WP:TOOSOON Celestina007 (talk) 23:58, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Celestina007 (talk) 00:14, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   00:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   00:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The sources present (Daily Post Nigeria, Premium Times Nigeria and others) appear to meet RS. The sheer volume of sources (21 at present) give us a fair bit of coverage. It may be promotional or TOOSOON, but it seems sufficient for a local musician. Not sure if the award is significant or not. If it is, the subject would meet WP:MUSICBIO and only GNG would be at issue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:11, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and has not been discussed in reliable detail. The Uzomedia (ref 1), Nairaland (ref 2), and Lailasblog (ref 9) sources are not reliable per WP:USERG. References 3 through 7, 10 through 15, and 17 through 21 are about the subject winning the Big Brother Naija reality competition. Apart from the eighth reference, no other source discusses the artist or his musical releases. An overwhelming amount of the sources cited in the article are only about the subject winning Big Brother Naija. It is safe to say that the subject is significant for his role in a single event. Musicians ought to be notable for their body of work. This is a case of WP:TOOSOON.   Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 00:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment You warned me in your recent AfD to "stop making assumptions about what [you] reviewed or didn't review", but it's obvious you only looked at the references in the article and did not do the required research. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:22, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Hello @ you may observe that i took time before i replied you, sorry about that but i like to be thorough, as so, i have come to this conclusion, the editor @ does make a valid and sound arguement as almost all sources, (above 90%) all speak about this lucky cash prize he won, this sources although some are reliable, most are gossip blogs just copy-pasting from each other now a key problem is : he(subject of discuss) is a supposed musician, but no reliable source speaks in-depth about his music career there is no significant coverage in reliable sources about his music career, i do not want to even talk about his biography, because the same issue arises herein as well, it is like before he won this cash prize he did not exist, as per WP:CRYSTALBALL we need soures to work here, now if this sources currently are non-existent then its simply a case of WP:TOOSOON! simple things uno, this situation is really a no-brainer a strong delete !vote! is still best applicable here. Celestina007 (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails WP:GNG and everything else that is relevant. The article is one of a whole group of articles about non-notable people in southern Nigeria created by a small group of editors, and a considerable number of related IPs (currently range-blocked), with obvious connections to a "Pastor Isaiah Ogedegbe", using the articles to promote Ogedegbe and his blogs on en-WP (see this edit by the creator and main contributor to the article being discussed here; self-promotional articles about Ogedegbe have been deleted dozens of times, and are now salted under multiple names, links to Ogedegbe's blogs are blacklisted and a large sock farm has been blocked, but the promotion attempts are still going on). - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 14:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/TeeQueue for a deletion discussion about a similar article created by the same editor who created this article, and along with the above mentioned IPs is the main contributor to it. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 14:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment @ i hope this enables you to understand the arguement of even better Celestina007 (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No. Blaming others for providing notable content about Nigerians is BS. If subjects meet WP:GNG they deserve a place on Wikipedia. Period. That editors such as Celestina007 and Thomas.W are not taking the time to actually see if reliable sources exist or not and simply base their opinions on the current state of articles is concerning. That's not what AfD participants are to do. WP:BEFORE is headed "Before nominating: checks and alternatives". Much of that does not appear to be done. If an editor like me can find more than 2000 links, many to reliable sources discussing the subject GNG has been met. I didn't bother to look at the other discussions as this one stands on its own merit. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:59, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I suggest you stop your repeated claims about others not doing their homework, because I sure did mine, looking for reliable sources that would establish notability per Wikipedia's rules, but found none, only sources mentioning that Ejeba won Big Brother Naija, meaning that the article a) fails WP:GNG since Ejeba and his musical career isn't covered in depth in the multiple reliable sources independent of the subject that are needed, and b) fails WP:ENT since being known for being a participant in a single reality show isn't enough to be notable. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 15:11, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I suggest you look at MOS:INDENTGAP and MOS:BULLET. As for repeated claims about others doing their homework, no, I will continue to call people to do the required work for participation in these discussions until they either start to do it or leave. The subject meets WP:MUSICBIO for having won an award and unlike many other award winners, this subject has been written about for winning that award. And the reality show goes beyond that. And the other coverage goes beyond that. And don't ping me again. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:28, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Award? What award? As far as I can see he has released a single record, and that record was very far from an award winner (in fact it was described as "showing a lack of skill", with the reviewer even saying "nobody wants to listen to this"...), and there's no mention of an award in the article. WP:MUSICBIO also explicitly says that it takes a really big award for an award to be considered as proving notability ("Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award"), and with a single record, a record that was described as showing a lack of skill, he's nowhere near that level. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 16:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I see that you didn't read INDENTGAP, BULLET. The award is winning Big Brother Nigeria. Is that not an award? Excuse me if I misspoke or it's not actually an award. In that case, still meets GNG. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:25, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * It's obvious that you are the one who hasn't done the homework properly. You link to WP:MUSICBIO and claim that he has won an award, but when challenged quickly backstep and claim that winning Big Brother Naija is an award (!?!) proving notability. Well, it's not, it's a case of WP:ONEEVENT (see also WP:REALITYTV which clearly states that ONEEVENT also covers TV reality shows). I.e. double fail. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 17:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and while I'm at it, stop linking to MOS:INDENTGAP and MOS:BULLET since they apply only to articles, not AfD-discussions. What applies here is Talk page guidelines, as can be seen in the lead of that guideline. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 17:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep nominator should have done a thorough research about the subject before thinking about AfD. Although the article lacks a neutral point of view, these sources, , , , , are enough to prove the notability of the subject. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 15:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * No, they're not. See WP:GNG, WP:ENT and WP:MUSICBIO. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 16:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Your reason for voting delete is somewhat not convincing asides the socks complaints. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 16:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, a place for articles about people, places and things with an already established, and clearly proven, notability, not a place for creating notability. As in this case an article about an individual who is known for one thing only, winning a reality show, and is now trying to cash in on that temporary fame by becoming a "recording artist" (so far having released a single record that was met with bad reviews...), and getting international exposure through having an article about him on Wikipedia. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 16:47, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * In this article, Pulse described him as an upcoming Nigerian rapper. Him winning the competition doesn't change this. He wasn't discussed in reliable sources prior to entering the competition. He actually became popular as a result of the competition. The sources in the article and online clearly shows that the subject's significance is tied to a single event.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 20:40, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: per keep votes. "Based on logistics", I do not agree that this is a case of WP:TOOSOON or WP:ONEEVENT. Passes WP:GNG and has won a notable reality show in South Africa. Darreg (talk) 09:56, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Being known for only one thing, winning a reality TV show in Nigeria, is a case of WP:ONEEVENT, and not having in-depth coverage in (multiple) reliable sources means not passing WP:GNG, so I strongly suggest you read the relevant guidelines etc before !voting in AfD-discussions. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 10:30, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric 03:56, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: The news link above shows the article is notable and also winning a notable competition as Big Brother Nigeria, it's a keep from me.--MKJ6006 (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment: we are now seeing keep !votes from editors with no other edits on en-WP than creating promotional articles about non-notable Nigerian bloggers, rappers etc, and !voting keep when articles of that kind created by others are nominated for deletion. Making me believe that we're seeing a group of people engaging in paid editing. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 10:47, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you really have enough information to suggest paid editing? This sounds like WP:BADFAITH to me. And I hope I'm not part of the "editors" you're implying are engaged in promotional editing, WP:COI and WP:PAIDEDITING is something I've never violated since joining here. Darreg (talk) 18:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * MKJ6006 has been reported as being a sock of User:Obari2Kay. I suspected both users back in March 2017, but the patrolling administrators handling the case didn't bother to compare them to each other. They are probably meat-puppets. There you go again, making comments about others. FYI, you still haven't shown how the subject meets Wikipedia's notability criteria. Show me reliable sources that discusses the subject prior to his time at Big Brother.  21:46, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Please stop mentioning me if you don't have something intelligent to say, there is nothing wrong with my last comment and everything is wrong with Thomas assumption. So I should keep quiet while someone accuses me falsely. You are so bent on deleting this article that you can't spot WP:BADFAITH when you see one. Darreg (talk) 00:01, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I did not accuse you of anything, so stop trying to draw attention away from the SPAs that my comment was aimed at. - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 08:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - clearly at best a case of WP:1BIO, perhaps a case of WP:TOOSOON, aside from the SPA keep !votes above (with the notable exception of Walter, who is a respected editor, but whom which I disagree on their assessment of the underlying sources in this instance), no really valid arguments have been made for retention.  Onel 5969  TT me 12:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable, failing WP:MUSIC. His recent contest win does appear to be WP:ONEEVENT, but the popularity from that may make him notable enough in the future but currently it is WP:TOOSOON. Ifnord (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I am Nigerian and I do not know if being the winner of Big Brother Nigeria warrants a page on Wikipedia without other notable achievements to back it up, he is however, very popular here in Nigeria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChiomaNika (talk • contribs) 23:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)


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