Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptian Tank Man (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. L Faraone  01:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Egyptian Tank Man
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I created that page, and thought that this was a notable event, however, I realize now that this was one of do many events that occurred during the revolution, and it is not significant enough to be in an article on Wikipedia. Ahmad E Shahin (talk) 09:57, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Egypt-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 10:37, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Wrong forum The nomination states that this is a part of the "Egyptian Revolution"  "revolution", meaning [Egyptian Revolution of 2011] .  There are no content concerns here, such as this being a hoax or WP:OR.  Reliable sources and a picture exist that are subject to WP:ATD policy.  There is nothing unusual here that would lead to a deletion under WP:IAR.  As per WP:SK, and with no theoretical case for deletion, this discussion can be moved to the talk page.  Unscintillating (talk) 11:54, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The nomination says it isnt a notable event. Thats a cause for deletion. A cause that is supposed to discussed at AFD, meaning this forum.  nableezy  - 19:07, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems straightforward as a case for which there is no theoretical deletion for notability, but upon review, the vehicle is not a tank, and where is the source that is being used as a reference for the title of the article? Unscintillating (talk) 20:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete - non-notable event. The pic could go in the main article, along with a single sentence about it (though the youtube video is better than the pic)  nableezy  - 19:07, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - per previous AfD, notability is met. That said, this is the correct venue for such a discussion. Ansh666 06:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:Notability is a guideline to decide if a topic is worthy of having a standalone article. wp:notability is not determined by Wikipedia articles, but by the world at large.  Topics that are not notable but are already covered in the encyclopedia, or can be added to a notable topic, are not subject to deletion for notability.  Deletion, on the other hand, is always a content deletion, even if the word "notability" is substituted.  AfD is for worthless articles, not those where the worst theoretical case is to redirect without deletion.  Such a result is non-binding out of AfD, even when it is the consensus.  So how do you figure that this is the correct venue for a notability discussion on this topic?  Unscintillating (talk) 23:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think a redirect from Egyptian tank man to say Egyptian Revolution would be slightly disorienting and off-putting. If I had to choose between merge/redirect and delete, I'd choose delete because a merge may be WP:UNDUE and redirect as I said above is a non-obvious target. Also, you said, "Topics that are not notable but are already covered in the encyclopedia, or can be added to a notable topic, are not subject to deletion for notability." Who decides this? Community consensus. If someone wants to delete the article for whatever reason, as was the case here, AfD is the place to get such consensus. You are stating your personal opinion as if it were fact, which may or may not be true depending on what the participants in this discussion determine. Ansh666 03:49, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting argument involving the WP:UNDUE. The problem is, that the encyclopedia is not yet done, so with that argument it is not yet possible to know that this material wouldn't be needed.  Once it is deleted, there is no guarantee that it will be retained on the servers.  Regards, Unscintillating (talk) 01:14, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Then again, I !voted keep, so... Ansh666 01:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Stong Delete - To compare this photo to the iconic Tennemann Tank Man is ridiculous. For a single image to be notable, it must be universally recognised: such as the Buzz Aldrin's Man On The Moon photo, Vietnam Napalm Girl, UMSC Flag Raising, 9/11 Flag Raising, Hindenburg Disaster, VJ Day Sailor Kissing Nurse, Atomic Bomb, Afghan girl, Vulture Waiting To Eat Ethiopian Child, etc. These photos do not require explanations and do not need to be justified. As for this Egyptian Tank Man photo, I have never seen it before today. And, the only reason I clicked on this page was by accident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RAF910 (talk • contribs) 13:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Move without keeping the redirect.  There is already an alternate name listed in the article, to which I just added the question mark.  This name is "Egypt's Tiananmen Square moment?"  WP:FRINGE states, "Wikipedia is not and must not become the validating source for non-significant subjects."  I added a book citation to the article.  Unscintillating (talk) 12:23, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 09:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)


 * delete there is nothing gon this article but a western media comparison. Seems FRINGE and not notable. The media are often hungry for sound/poic bytesLihaas (talk) 11:59, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:BLP1E (or BIO1E; who knows what can happen in two and a half years?). --BDD (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.