Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eipass


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. While Unscintillating keeps asserting that there are hundreds of sources, xe has not produced even one that meets the requirements set forth in WP:GNG, and the concerns of the nomination have not been met. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Eipass

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no indication of WP:notability. No independent WP:reliable sources given and google searches not finding anything significant. Disputed prod. noq (talk) 00:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:53, 29 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete No reliable sources can be found. Nwlaw63 (talk) 20:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources exist, but you have to be ready to go to at least the third page of Google hits.  Note that the nominator should have mentioned that this topic is covered on the Italian Wikipedia.  According to this Italian source, "The Eipass Certificate is one of the 4 international certificates recognized at European level..."  Unscintillating (talk) 00:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment That link is to a company offering the test. In fact, almost every google hit I found that was not facebook, twitter, youtube, vimeo etc was from someone trying to sell it. And for what is supposed to be an international certificate it seems to be only marketed in Italy and one Kosovan website. I am not finding anything written about it in independent sources. noq (talk) 08:38, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * From what I am reading, Politea is an association of social scientists, not a "company". Unscintillating (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Well it explicitly states "The Politea Association is an EI-Center, an Eipass licensed Center,  where you can take exams and attend training courses to obtain the Eipass Certificate ( or European Informatics Passport), with all solutions that Politea Association offers."  I cannot find anything other than sites offering it, mentioning it.


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I'm not in Italy or Kosovo, so I've never heard of this certificate before.  Nonetheless, what I'm seeing is that this is something that started with the European Union Council and the actual authority for the EIPASS certificate comes from an Italian government ministry, Ministry of Education, University and Research.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Where are you seeing that? noq (talk) 08:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you read the Italian Wikipedia article? Unscintillating (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Which one? The one you linked to above which does not mention it or the eipass article which is sourced entirely to a primary source? Either way, it does not help the case. noq (talk) 23:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As per WP:BEFORE step B6, "Check if there are interlanguage links, also in the sidebar, which may lead to more developed and better sourced articles." Following this procedure yields: Italiano.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is sourced entirely to the company website. And a Wiki is not itself a WP:reliable source. noq (talk) 07:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So have you read the Italian Wikipedia article? Unscintillating (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Comment Every hit on at least the first three pages of this Google search: [site:.it EIPASS] has "EIPASS" in the title of the article.  Here are two of the first few in Google translate:     Unscintillating (talk) 01:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 03:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment: So far since the original relisting, a lot of conversation but no actual new opinions on keep or delete... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: This is a rather unimpressive, commercial certificate that (in its most general capacity) certifies that you've had some training in front office software. It was created and is offered by only one company. There are very few sources for it because it is not very widely offered or very sought-after by employers (again, it basically means you can work on the reception desk for a company). And any claims to involvements with European programs are overstated; the Committee launched a recommendation (here it is) for member states to do something about life-long learning in the digital competences area. Certpass is trying to claim to be doing that with EIpass. -- BenTels (talk) 12:56, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think that encyclopedias care if a topic is "impressive", toilet seats are a perfectly legitimate encyclopedic topic. As per WP:N, "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity..."  That is, unless you want to argue to the "worthy of notice" clause of WP:N.  I.e., that even if WP:GNG is satisfied, the consequent "presumption" of notability is still insufficient due to special circumstances.  But arguing that there are "very few sources" seems to be an argument that WP:GNG is not satisfied.  And this is something I don't understand, I've already shown that 30 out of 30 webpages for the search [site:.it EIPASS] have EIPASS in the title of the article.  I checked the next page and I can now say that 40 out of 40 of these sources have EIPASS in the title of the article.  How many more sources are needed?  Unscintillating (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well as most of those google hits are to youtube, vimeo, facebook and the eipass website that is not really very useful. And the others are from sites offering it so they are not independent. noq (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * But there are zero youtube, zero facebook, and zero vimeo sites in that search, how do you explain that? Unscintillating (talk) 18:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you post the search you are using. Clicking find sources above shows lots of youtube, vimeo, facebook etc links. How are you not getting them? noq (talk) 18:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've posted it twice already, but here is a URL that does the same: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:.it+EIPASS Unscintillating (talk) 18:47, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As before, all I am seeing from these are places offering courses that include it. No one that is not involved in selling it seems to be covering it. noq (talk) 19:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There are 594 hits after those 39. Could it be that because there are so many sites that offer it, it is hard to use Google to find sources that only talk about it?  Surely you aren't claiming that even though hundreds of sites offer it, it is not "worthy of notice" to be on Wikipedia?  Unscintillating (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Here is a book:
 * The translation of the title in Google translate is Manual prerequisite to obtaining certification Eipass computer. Unscintillating (talk) 21:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This book seems to have been published by a company that have not published anything else. And yes, hundreds of google hits are not significant - I can google my own name and get hundreds of hits - none of which makes me notable. The article makes claims about being a European recognized qualification but nothing backs that up. The only refs you are coming up with are sites selling it. noq (talk) 23:54, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you looked at all 633 sites? What is your basis for saying that all of the sites are selling it?  Have you read the Italian Wikipedia web site?  Unscintillating (talk) 22:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * To be honest, no I have not - have you? But the large sample I have looked at have been selling it (my default page size on google shows 100 results, not 10). Can you provide some that are not?  And your question about the Italian Wikipedia article, of course I have read it - or at least the google translation of it - otherwise I could not dismiss it as being sourced entirely to the company providing it. noq (talk) 23:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response. (BTW, the sourcing can be obtained by looking at the Italian version.)  Unscintillating (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at dozens of links. I found two that were not selling it, but they were both involved in the distribution and recommendation of the service.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment Note that we have an article on European Computer Driving Licence.  Unscintillating (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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