Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eku Edewor


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The result was weak keep. She seems to barely scrape through WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades Godric  13:33, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Eku Edewor

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Subject fails WP:BASIC as she has not been discussed by multiple independent sources. Also fails WP:NACTOR as she has neither had significant roles in multiple notable films nor has she made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to anything. ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
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Keep: I recall this article being significantly improved by Wikiproject Nigeria and Wiki Loves Women editors in the last editathon. This is not a justification for keep, it just shows my stand is in cognizance with many other experienced editors. Now back to the article, 53 Extra is a major program on M-Net Africa Magic for several years. It is hugely popular in terms of African lifestyle television. Similar to what E! does in the US, if you don't know E! news please use Google. She has gotten a number of awards from hosting the notable show on a number of occasions. Some of which includes, TV Presenter of the Year at the 2016 Nigeria Entertainment Awards and 2012 FAB Awards. As an actor she isn't the most accomplished, but she has starred in a decent amount of film productions. she won the 2014 Ghana Movie Award for the best African Collaboration in a film. Ghana Movie Award is the premier jury based film awarding system for Ghanaian films. She also got nominations at Golden Movie Awards and the best supporting actress at 2015 Golden Icons Academy Movie Awards. Notable films she has starred in includes Flower Girl, When love Comes Around , The Island, Entreat, etc.

If you are talking about significant coverage, this is a few, please take note of the adjectives these reliable sources used in describing her: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. She has hosted countless amount of notable African ceremonies. Was a finalist at Britain's Next Top Model.

Combining everything together, subject passes WP:ANYBIO, WP:ENT, WP:GNG and I can also make a case for WP:NACTOR. Darreg (talk) 23:57, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

The Nigerian editor above @ from history observed has troubles with being WP:CIVIL & following guidelines and polices. Example ; Talk:Eku Edewor (The talk page of the subject of discussion) he exhibits traits in accordance with WP:NOTHERE. As he refuses to discuss with me as per WP:ENGAGE despite 3 whole attempts Furthermore, he is yet to produce sources that satisfy WP:GNG as (http://ynaija.com), (http://ecomium.ng), (http://friendite.com), infact all are not notable and reliable all but this one 2012 FAB Awards and this, is just but mentions, mere mentions of the subject and does not give signigicant coverage to the subject of our discuss. a delete !vote still stands, also let us take note of this: some of the unreliable sources he gives does not even substantiate what he says, this is really baffling .Celestina007 (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC).
 * Delete what nominator said, The subject of the article fails primary notability requirements such as WP:BASIC and also, the references/sources which are provided in the article are not of reliabe press, they do not discuss her significantly, and the few which attempt to do so, are not independent of her, hence we have a WP:COI which could distrupt NPOV so hereby failing WP:GNG woefully.
 * Celestina, you will never change. It is now clear to me that it is either you still haven't compehended the fundamental policies on Wikipedia or you are terribly acting in badfaith. The annoying part of these whole buhaha is that other editors fall in the trap of accepting your incompetency in the assumption of good faith, when in reality you're the one acting in bad faith. I mean after spending so many months here you are proudly displaying your ignorance in your understanding of WP:RS, WP:COI and WP:GNG. Please what does WP:COI have to do with this article? Who are you suggesting have a COI here? And how can a Nigerian not know Enconium Magazine, not to talk about calling it and YNaija unreliable sources? Infact, you've written so many words and made little sense, I don't know where to start countering them.


 * I put it to you that I haven't had any bad intent towards you during the buildup to this AFD. Yes I wanted you to nominate for deletion because I was getting sick of the incorrect tags (or should I say not-thoroughly-thought-out tags) you've been placing all over Wikipedia, and wanted you to slow down on them, but if you had just nominated the article as I suggested to you when I said I felt the tag was not appropraite things would have been alot different in terms of my perception of you on Wikipedia. I would have just seen you as an editor that still has some things to learn (I mean who doesn't?), but now I can't say I don't have a bias towards you from now on. You can ask Maheam, the moment he nominated the article, I thanked him for the edit, because that was the sensible thing to do when an uninvolved regualar editor removed the notability tag.


 * @Versace and @Mahveotm When Celestina is wrong about guideline and acting in bad faith as in this case, you should also correct her. I'm sure she will listen if it is coming from you. Don't allow her go about making regular editors lose their cool then you will now come in (or when she runs to you) and start forming human-right activist. And please advice her to spend time improving content and participating in AFD discussions instead of cleaning WP, she will learn alot of things that way. Darreg (talk) 00:09, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello,, i dont seem to comprehend your ideology nor thought process but please learn to edit the encylopedia in accordance with WP:CIVIL, That my !vote is a delete does not mean you should attack me this way.
 * Every now & again you seem to accuse me of incompetence but right here on my talk page User_Talk:Celestina007 you solicit my aid in the creation of the Ebele Okaro article if you thought i wasnt competent, why then would you assign me to do this bidding? It's a shame in your moments of anger rather than face the truth you resort to petty actions as making unfair and unjust statements. I wish you the best all the same. Have a nice week ahead.Celestina007 (talk) 21:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC).
 * I have nothing against a delete vote, but it needs to be done properly. For example the nominator rationale is justifiable to an extent from his angle, and I can't fault him for that. I have enlightened him on why I think the article should be kept, it is left for him to counter my arguments with policy. That is what an AFD discussion is meant to do. But for the debate to be constructive I need to know that you know what you're saying. Darreg (talk) 23:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete two years on after the creation of this article and in-depth coverage of the subject can't be found. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 13:03, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I want to believe you have gone through all the references I provided above, but for emphasis, I will post some again. If these doesn't show significant coverage for a television personality and style icon in a third world country, then I wonder what does. And I haven't even started with the specific notability guidelines. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. ps: There is more online, virtually all Nigerian major newspapers have interviewed/covered her. Darreg (talk) 23:06, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't believe Q/A interviews are reliable since they are not independent of the subject. If Nigerian sources write a piece about her and decides to quote her, that would be considered reliable. I don't understand why Nigerian newspapers do not take this approach when describing notable people.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 23:26, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * But it was of recent Wikipedia editors started enforcing that rule for Nigerian articles. Some years ago, they usually allow it. I personally think they should be allowed if they are independent and many. I mean why should so many newspaper sites want to interview you if you were not potentially significant, even by WP standards. But I think most of our journalists are lazy, they don't want to be creative, Q and A seems easier than descriptive essay. Darreg (talk) 23:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the first point you made. There has never been a time Wikipedia was okay with just Q&A sources. Although primary sources can be included in an article, secondary sources are needed to establish a subject's notability. GNG isn't the only guideline that one can use to establish a subject's notability. A subject who was only discussed in Q&A sources can still be notable if he/she meets other guidelines specific to their field of work. I agree with the latter point you made. If a person wasn't significant, newspapers wouldn't make time to interview them. Nigerian journalists do need to step up their game.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 23:43, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. I found coverage of her in Vogue magazine, Vanguard newspaper (2014), Vanguard newspaper (2011), and P.M. News. According to the sources I've gathered, she hosted the 2014 edition of the notable Channel O Music Awards, the 2013 Miss Nigeria pageant, and the Elite Model Look Nigeria competition in 2010 and 2011. She's a regular host on Nigeria’s 53 Extra, an entertainment program Vogue described as being "along the lines of E! News or Access Hollywood". Vogue also stated that she "gained notoriety in 2007, after appearing on Britain's Next Top Model". She was profiled in South Africa's edition of Elle magazine, and covered the February issue of Genevieve magazine (a notable magazine in Nigeria). The  photo shoot she did for ThisDay fashion magazine gained coverage due to its controversial nature. Moreover, she had a significant role in the notable 2013 film Flower Girl. She appears to be notable if you take all of this into account.   Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 23:02, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment in the establishment of notability for any giving article of living persons, significant coverage in reliable sources is required. Now, as per WP:INDEPTH the subject of our discussion seems to be lacking greatly here in the sense that even the good sources presented of recent do not with indepth discuss her. It is as though all just make mere announcements of her without speaking of anything really tangible. A delete !vote still is most feasible course of action.Celestina007 (talk) 01:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC).
 * Keep (albeit weakly) per the sources and arguments of ; a WP:BEFORE does indicate a degree of WP:PERSISTENT coverage. On another note, there does seem to be what might amount to WP:BLUDGEONing occuring here; so I will probably not watchlist this page. Cheers! &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  13:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment As per Nominator said, also a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources is yet to be found, from thorough research carried out my observation is ; the few reliable sources mentioning or discussing her are not independent of the subject hence we have a WP:NPOV at hand, for example; her workplace mentioning or putting articles about her(their staff) on cyberspace should not be considered as part of reliable source even though it is a reputable organization. Even at that she has not even been discussed with WP:INDEPTH Let this fact be committed to our minds.Celestina007 (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC).

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 01:25, 23 June 2017 (UTC) Comment: @Celestina Stop notifying editors 1 2 who have a history 1 2 of voting delete on similar articles to participate in this AFD. This behavior is not very different from Canvassing, which is generally frowned at on Wikipedia. Darreg (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep: has provided sufficient sources to pass WP:GNG. Bondegezou (talk) 11:35, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Mmmm, and your second example seems to imply that everyone who disagrees is a paid editor :D bizarre. &mdash;  O Fortuna   semper crescis, aut decrescis  23:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment: Subject of article is every now and again mentioned merely in passing & is never really discussed with significant coverage which are independent of her.I am however quite glad that whosoever closing this page could always look up our subject of discusion & make best judgement. Cheers Everyone! Celestina007 (talk) 00:03, 25 June 2017 (UTC).


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