Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Hijo del crack


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 03:41, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

El Hijo del crack

 * – ( View AfD View log )

Same reason as Articles for deletion/The Great Adventure (1974 film). Film does not meet WP:GNG; I tried Google and Bing, but no reliable sources have been found. Created by User:Dr. Blofeld who has been reported in WP:ANI. George Ho (talk) 21:09, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. There are many reliable sources. Srnec (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have check it: https://www.google.com/search?q=El+Hijo+del+crack&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=&oe=#q=%22Hijo+del+crack%22+-wikipedia+leopoldo&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&tbs=ar:1,sbd:1&tbm=nws&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=i7TOTubeOK38iQK9tfXKCw&ved=0CBgQpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3e3991b465e6d3c6&biw=1008&bih=599. None have been reliable or active.  Even articles that mention this film have not fully covered this film at all.  Even Rotten Tomatoes has no reviews at all.  --George Ho (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, its a 1953 Argentine movie, what do you expect!! How many American reviewers are likely to have seen the movie? Jeez.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment: I have checked the sources that this author has added. None of the sources have indicated notability of this film at all.  Instead, they are just directories.  At least one source said that this film was more of a commercial than artistic.  --George Ho (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are quite mistaken, there is detailed coverage on it in books like the Historia del Cinea Argentino and a whole page here, [ detailed coverage discussing its neo-relaist elements in National Literature Institute of Argentina etc which you can't access online but you can only access the snippets. You're facing a losing battle Ho, trust me.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can cite anything, and at least you provided Reception. Lack of sources of Argentine periodicals is very troubling.  --George Ho (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Argentina-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 22:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Encyclopedic and properly sourced article about a 58-year-old, long-pre-internet, non-English film. This AFD appears to be a disruptive and retaliatory act, shown by the nominating of an article created by an author with whom the nominator has a disagreement. Worse, the mention here of the ongoing ANI seems an inappropriate attempt to use AFDs as a forum to canvas input at that ANI.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have struck that for you. Now the reception and its sources may indicate notability for Argentina audiences.  However, I will still let this discussion be still active.  I tagged this article with verify sources.  --George Ho (talk) 22:56, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. User:Dr Blofeld asked for comment. The article was a trivial stub when nominated, but it is clear from the material and sources added that the movie is notable. The quality of the movie is irrelevant. The nomination seems frivolous. Expanding is usually more productive than criticizing. Aymatth2 (talk) 23:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * A rhetorical question for the nominator    You say " Lack of sources of Argentine periodicals is very troubling" I presume you mean that on examining Argentine sources, you found  no material. What magazines on cinema from that country have you examined? What newspapers? Alternatively, what did you find in Google and Bing (the places you said you searched) on other Argentine films from that period?   (Dr. B asked me to have a look at the AfD, but, as i am entirely ignorant on the subject, I have no opinion on the actual notability  of the film.)  I added a note that the qy is rhetorical, because another admin has blocked the nom. indef., so he cannot really be expected to answer  DGG ( talk ) 23:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The added sources themselves show notability and also insinuate the existence of many more sources that are likely offline in Argentina, considering the location and time period of when this film was made. Silver  seren C 00:39, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep – Lots of reliable sources. The best known person connected to this movie might be Leopoldo Torre Nilsson, the co-director. Our article on Nilsson gives plenty of evidence for his notability, even though his reputation might not extend to all his films. The Nilsson article states "He is acknowledged as the first Argentine film director to be critically acclaimed outside the country, making Argentina's film production known in important international festivals" (though this claim should be provided with an inline citation to a good reference). A website called videomaniaticos.com (not a RS) says about Armando Bo: "Es un cineasta que puso el acento en la producción industrial, siendo el principal exportador de películas argentinas." If this observation could be confirmed from RS that would be of interest. I found some reliable references that comment on the importance of Armando Bo but they don't mention this movie, so I may add them to another article. EdJohnston (talk) 06:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:FILM with no problem. --Cameron Scott (talk) 08:48, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for all the reasons already given, and suggest snow close -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 03:12, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.