Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Marino (online newspaper)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:05, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

El Marino (online newspaper)

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Article fails general notability guidelines and Internet notability guidelines. Most of the references are links to the El Marino webpage, so there is a lack of independent sources. The author of this article is also owner of this website, so is a clear case of self promotion (and COI).  War ko  talk  18:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I won't vote since I am related to the subject, however I think it passes the Internet notability guidelines. You are incorrect when saying most of the references are links to the website itself; 9 of 19 are, and there are some references that may be used, in the article's talk page, I think that should be enough, given that the criteria for similar websites (news sites) is not that high. The article is written in a neutral way, I don't see the problem. --Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 19:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, sufficient secondary source coverage independent of the subject is amply demonstrated already, as noted by, above. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 02:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. North America1000 13:33, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Want to try repairing the article? You've done that before. John Nagle (talk) 19:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong Delete: This article is a WP:REFBOMB of local sources, brief mentions, and conflict of interest. Most of the sources are directly related to Diego Grez-Cañete who is the owner of this org and the creator of this Wikipedia article. The non-local sources are not about this website, and 2 are actually op-ed pieces written by Diego Grez-Cañete.  Fails WP:GNG and is a gross violation of WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:COI. Vrac (talk) 14:02, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 1st: Coi was disclosed long ago. 2nd: Refbomb is just an essay, and primary references only serve for things that haven't been covered elsewhere. 9 of 19 are related to the website, that is clearly stated before, I still don't see the problem, given that Wikpedia does not forbid people related to subjects from editing their articles, it is discouraged, but not prohibited, I haven't done anything wrong absolutely. Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 00:11, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Writing a Wikipedia article yourself, about something you own, sourced with stuff that you have written. A better question to ask yourself is what have you done right. Of course you don't see the problem, because you have a conflict of interest, which is why the WP:COI policy exists.  Sources that are related to you and that you have written don't count. What's left? Vrac (talk) 00:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I reiterate you, I did not write these articles, except nine used for very specific things, that Wikipedia's policies permit anyway (WP:PRIMARY). Got a proof the non-El Marino sources are all written by me? Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 01:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, all of the puntillazo references are op-eds by you, like this. Vrac (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is little independence of the subject from the sources. Pichilemu is a town of 13,000 inhabitants so obtaining a cross-refernece by another local newspaper is very easy if one has, as Diego do, a good network of contacts. Sietecolores (talk) 08:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Only speculation. Please WP:AGF Diego Grez-Cañete (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So you want us to believe you have no contact with other newspapers and journalist in your tiny town? Sietecolores (talk) 19:39, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Local online-only newspaper of tiny village. Promotional article COI-created by the newspaper's editor. Softlavender (talk) 09:36, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This might qualify for speedy deletion as the recreation of an article deleted at AfD, see Articles for deletion/Memoria Pichilemina. There is not sufficient independent coverage of either incarnation of this newspaper to meet notability. Fences  &amp;  Windows  16:24, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


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