Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Porton School, Barranquitas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Education in Puerto Rico. Spartaz Humbug! 05:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

El Porton School, Barranquitas

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Can't speedy delete it so have taken it here, the school is not really notable enough in my opinion. Quiggers1P (talk) 16:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Would you please advise why would elementary schools not be notable on their own right? I feel you objection should be explained in the light of the A7 school exception discussion. Schools are hubs of culture in local communities. Inherently notable to regional players. A mere conclusory opinion without foundation sounds insufficient.Stapler80 (talk) 16:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Secondary schools, colleges and universities should not be deleted for reasons you have mentioned, but due to the sheer number of elementary schools around the world, I feel that they not notable enough due to the lack of people in the majority of the schools. Quiggers1P (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Puerto Rico-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment They generally fail WP:ORG due to a lack of significant coverage (other than routine "school is starting, new principal, fall festival, basketball victory" in the local paper) in reliable and independent sources. The typical article just mirrors the school's own website. They are local and ubiquitous, like the corner gas station, the neighborhood diner or the local McDonald's. We used to be more demanding of significant coverage for high schools as well, but the typical public or legitimate private high school gets some regional and statewide coverage. The high school gets the benefit of the doubt, because with effort someone can usually find stories about innovative educational programs, failures of educational programs, scandals, controversies, athletic championships, and notable alumni. Elementary schools usually get merged to an article about the school district, which represents a geographic area more comparable to that of a typical high school. Edison (talk) 18:57, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge due to failure to satisfy WP:ORG, to an article about the locality, Barranquitas, Puerto Rico, which presently says nothing about local educational opportunities. The stub just says it exists, and the stub is just a mirror of its own website. Wikipedia is not a directory of everything that exists. Edison (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe this "deletion" is the wrong tag for this discussion. Elementary School Markušica has a different tag for the same issue. The purpose of the article is to serve as repository for notable information about the school. The infobox template used allows for a wealth of useful information to be collected. About merging-- Is there a way to hyperlink to a subtitle inside a page? so that a link to the school in the page for the town would point to the school entry within the town's page?Stapler80 (talk) 19:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * For info, above editor is the article's creator -- Quiggers1P (talk) 19:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The article creator's desire to create a "repository" is contrary to the principles and guidelines of Wikipedia. See WP:NOT. Edison (talk) 00:16, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Clarification The use of the word "repository" was a newbie mistake. Author used it under its general definition that presupossed WP:ORG as a computer application is a "repository". Stapler80 (talk) 16:32, 11 July 2011 (UTC) Article Author
 * Delete - the consensus is that high schools are considered notable, for the reasons given in the essay WP:NHS, but, in general, elementary schools are not notable failing coverage that meets WP:ORG. This seems to me to be a good compromise. As Edison states we normally redirect elementary schools to the school district or, failing that, to the locality. The problem is that the locality has no education section and starting one with a single elementary school with no encyclopaedic material isn't a good idea. Reluctantly, therefore, I see alternative to deletion. TerriersFan (talk) 15:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect per usual practice for elementary schools. It could be redirected to the locality, or maybe better to Education in Puerto Rico. --MelanieN (talk) 21:24, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, causa sui (talk) 06:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect - the school shows no signs of notability. A note in the article about the locality should suffice, though there shouldn't be any prejudice against recreation, should significant reliable source be found according to WP:GNG. LonelyBeacon (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect into the article for the locality; there is now a section for it, very sensibly started by User:Stapler80 (I was about to start one myself, but I found it was already done).  When there's an obvious place to merge, but the item will be the first item in a new section, it's fine to just start the section, add the item,and try to add other examples also. The absence of a pre-existing section or article  to merge into when a merge is desirable    is no reason not to make one, whether it be a section or an entire new article.  NOT BURO.    DGG ( talk ) 04:49, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect per standard procedure for non notable schools. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Redirect per well established practice. To the question above about why elementary schools are considered not notable unless extraordinary circumstances intervene, for me the reason is this — many people who write biographies will mention a high school, if known, and that link should show up blue not red. Nobody writing a biography will mention an elementary school by name. Others may have other interpretations of why this rule of thumb is like it is, but that works for me... Carrite (talk) 01:24, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.