Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El emigrante (short story)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

El emigrante (short story)

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 18:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 18:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Unremarkable fiction from an author with no article. A Google search on "Luis Felipe Lomeli" "The Emigrant" shows only 4 results, three of them Wikipedia related. No significant claims of notability or reliable references. MikeWazowski (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete . There's nothing out there except for things that, like Mike said, are Wikipedia related. There's absolutely nothing out there to show that this piece of flash fiction is notable. As for claims of a world record, that is debatable because there could be other pieces out there that are even shorter and even if there's multiple independent and reliable sources to back up claims of it being the shortest FF ever, that claim to fame in itself isn't enough to merit an article. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I did a search under the terms below and was unable to find anything to show that this is notable. I did see where the piece was briefly touched upon in a passing mention on a few sites, but never in a way that would show notability. (In other words, that the source went into more detail about the flash fiction other than saying it exists and is considered to be the shortest FF.) I do see where the author himself could merit an article here on Wikipedia and if someone wants to create it, I'd endorse a redirect to the author's article. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:41, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

But a google search on "Luis Felipe Lomeli" "el emigrante", shows 430 entries! A google seach on "Luis Felipe Lomeli" "el emigrante": 230 entries! Some of those in French, Chinese, Arabic, Japanese, Russian, etc... He is a Mexican writer, of course not so much entries will be found in English. And it is a world record.

Also, the page already exists in Wikipedia (and not by this contributor) in Español, Francaise and Catalá. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Okigbo (talk • contribs) 04:06, 28 July 2012‎
 * Having a page in another language does not always mean that something is notable. It could just mean that someone has added the page and it has yet to be deleted. As far as sources go in other languages, I do see that there are more that come up, but what I'm seeing so far tends to be mostly brief mentions in various sources. There's nothing (so far) that goes in depth about the piece, mostly brief mentions. There's some blog entries that mention the piece as well, but blogs do not count towards notability unless they're by someone who is considered to be an absolute authority on the subject, meaning that they would be someone that is regularly quoted for books, magazines, and the like. The coverage in other languages just seems to be too brief to merit an entry for the flash fiction. Besides that, even if the author himself is notable, that does not guarantee that all of his works would be. Very few authors are considered to be so notable that all of their work would become automatically notable by default.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Keep meets notability and sourcing requirements and the fact that the book won numerous awards.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Keep: probably the most notable 4-word story of all time, discussed by many sources. I disagree with Blofeld's move to Ella sigue de viaje. The 4-word story is more notable than the book that contains it, my view. The book did win an award, and one of the other stories in the book did too, so the book is notable. I left the book article and re-launched the 4-word story article - probably totally messed up edit history. Never mind... Aymatth2 (talk) 23:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well a lot of the article said things like "the book overall won xxx prize and the twelve stories of the book etc" so that was my reasoning. But as you've added more weight to the short shory then it's also a valid separate article in its own right, I agree.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep per the amazing sourcing found by everyone. I'm really impressed!Tokyogirl79 (talk) 03:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: I nominated the article at Template:Did you know nominations/El Emigrante & Luis Felipe Lomelí. The hook is a natural.  It will sit there until this AfD is cleared.  I don't think there is any controversy...  Aymatth2 (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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