Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ela Mino (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. ‑Scottywong | [soliloquize] || 20:29, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Ela Mino
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Non-notable beauty pageant contestant. Prodded, which has been contested. Should have A4'd it, since it was AfD'd a few years ago. Nothing has changed since that discussion.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)


 * keep per WP:GNG. She has substantial coverage from multiple independent reliable sources.  Coverage is from multiple countries in multiple languages.  None of this coverage was included in first version of article that was deleted.  Also, she did win an international beauty pageant, beating other national representatives from around the world.   --Rob (talk) 15:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - None of the sources contain significant coverage about the subject herself, just trivial/incidental coverage of events etc. Couldn't turn up anything else in a WP:BEFORE search. Doesn't meet the GNG. -M.Nelson (talk) 08:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * By what definition of "trivial"? There are multiple non-trivial sources.  Harper's Bazaar Vietnam is clearly non-trivial.  Also, she did win an international pageant.  This is wasn't just some local or regional pageant.  It wasn't a "virtual" or "on-line-only" pageant (countless such pageants).  After she won a local title, she won a a separate national title later on, then she went on to represent Canada, and win an international title, which is what makes her notable.   While she does meet GNG, she doesn't actually need it  for inclusion, since she's actually achieved something sufficiently importance.  But of course, she does meet GNG.  She actually has coverage in different countries.   Coverage isn't just the "local person does something" that any pageant contestant might get.  The coverage is about an actual achievement of the person.  If you combine winning an international in-person pageant with a international coverage, you've set a pretty high bar, very very few pageant contestants can meet.  I fully understand not wanting to give a bio of every contestant or every winner of a local pageant, with the standard coverage that goes with that (often those warrant a redirect, if covered at all).  But, that isn't what this article is.   As in sports, if somebody achieves a sufficient level of success we tend to keep the article, even if much of the coverage is connected to events (as in, person won something notable at major event).  We don't demand internationally successful athletes to have lots of non-sports related coverage.  --Rob (talk) 12:02, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * - I'll admit I did miss Harper's Bazaar Vietnam, that is a fairly substantial piece of coverage. Thank you for raising that. Are there two other sources about Ela Mino, to meet WP:THREE? All of the other sources in the article that I've looked up are simply trivial mentions of Ela Mino, not significant coverage. They don't go into depth about her - they cover some event or subject and mention her in passing.
 * Whether she won multiple international pageants doesn't automatically grant notability, but it suggests that there ought to be enough coverage out there to meet the WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. But if the coverage doesn't exist, the subject isn't notable, regardless of their accomplishments. -M.Nelson (talk) 22:04, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you're talking about regarding "events". Discussing an event which she *won* is not a trivial mention in passing.  Generally, coverage of her is about pageant events, in the same way coverage of most Olympic athletes is about sporting events.  If you go to the typical Olympic athlete bio, you'll find all independent sources mainly discuss various events, as in the different sporting events that were competed and won in.  Articles on them are made almost always, and almost always kept, because of the stature of the event.  You could delete 90% of such articles based on the argument that they're just mentioned in context of an event, and there's little non-sports-event coverage.  Just take a peak at the 100% blue links at Canada at the 2014 Winter Olympics for a small fraction of examples (most having little more than event results).  We're not talking about a bunch of articles nobody got around to nominating.  We're talking about articles that could never and would never be deleted by AFD (and would be speedy kept by consensus), despite not meeting you're version of WP:THREE (which is a meaningless essay).  In many areas, not just sports, certain levels of achievement, when properly covered, are sufficient for inclusion.  You're use of GNG is really more appropriate when somebody has no particular notable achievement, but has gained an exceptional level of coverage for something normally not considered that significant (e.g. famous for being famous).  P.S.  I'm not equating pageantry for the Olympics, which is why I won't be making an article on anybody who finishes last, as I have for the Olympics.  --Rob (talk) 02:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Classic example of BLP:ONE EVENT. and NOT TABLOID. That criterion, of course, does not apply if the event is sufficiently notable, but this is not one of the Big Four international beauty pageants which would make a national winner notable .  DGG ( talk ) 00:31, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete The article did not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.--Richie Campbell (talk) 15:19, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


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