Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elaine Marley


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. There is support for a merge, and some for a redirect, and discussions about this may continue on the article's talk page; but it's quite apparent from this discussion there is a strong consensus that Elaine Marley should be a bluelink on Wikipedia. NAC— S Marshall  Talk / Cont  08:19, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Elaine Marley

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Wholly insignificant minor character. No claim of notability and negligible reference to third-party source. Negligible real-world treatment of the topic; article is a regurgitation of her appearances in several games. Original research on "inconsistencies" in the franchise to boot. --EEMIV (talk) 02:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not just a character in an obscure game, but the deuteragonist and primary heroine of an entire series of very well-known adventure games (Monkey Island). To echo User:Jclemens in related AfD Articles for deletion/LeChuck (and see also Articles for deletion/Guybrush Threepwood), "AfD is not for cleanup." —Lowellian (reply) 06:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. Nifboy (talk) 03:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of MI Characters. While I can see Guybrush and LeChuck being kept, this character, while the only other major recurring one, does not have the same level of significance in the games, as she usually kidnapped or incapacitated in some manner for 90% of the game, and almost would be considered a minor character if she didn't recur so much. The present article only has one source and this is to establish something as part of a time line, not about the character's creation or reception.  Sources I've seen aren't demonstrating any more about her either.  --M ASEM  (t) 12:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * A "list of characters" is already a component of World of Monkey Island. Itself a collection of plotcruft and NFC abuse, it offers appropriate blurb/brief treatment as appropriate for this minor character. None of the content in this article -- uncited, plot regurgitation -- warrants merging anywhere. --EEMIV (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge per Masem. Fences  &amp;  Windows  15:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge and remove needless plot summary. Merge Inconsistency section to Escape from Monkey Island.  Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Why on Earth would you suggest moving the "inconsistency" section -- which is both entirely trivial and entirely unreferenced original research -- anywhere? --EEMIV (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought that if the article is merged, the Inconsistency section would not be important enough to mention in a list of characters, but could be included in Escape from Monkey Island, which the section is mostly talking about. But you're right, it is OR.  Laukku  TheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 20:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect as a likely search term. merging as necessary. Protonk (talk) 16:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:GlassCobra/Essays/Hotties are always notable as well as that character is verifiable in multiple reliable sources as seen here. In any event, I have added out of universe information on this notable character concerning her production and reception, i.e. the article is not merely plot anymore, contains information verified third-party sources, i.e. not original research by the peculiar Wikipedia definition of the term and reveals the importance of this major character from multiple noteworthy games.  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A gratuitous copy-and-paste from a single source does not establish notability. While you're whacking at these articles, please trim/paraphrase your bulky block quotes. --EEMIV (talk) 16:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that the character is mentioned in multiple reviews, previews, etc. for multiple games does. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, how do "mentions" help us build a decent article? Nifboy (talk) 07:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
 * You're right! I'd forgotten about WP:HOTTIES. Fences  &amp;  Windows  17:00, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, since when has That Guy with the Glasses been considered a reliable source?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Merge I'd like to say there's enough development and/or reception information to warrant an article out there, but really...there doesn't seem to be. I could see Daphne from Dragon's Lair ending up more plausible for an article to be honest.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Perfectly fine existing article. No need to delete.  --AStanhope (talk) 18:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep; Looks like there's enough coverage in published sources from reviews to justify the article. Most are reviews, but they're acceptable (offhand, this Good article) for instance has almost nothing but, and not a single external reference which focuses directly on the subject itself). --Monere (talk) 22:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.