Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elazar Abuhatzeira


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) —Tom Morris (talk) 10:29, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Elazar Abuhatzeira

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Notability not established, and Wikipedia is not news. Article started just after subject's death with a promise of sources to come, and when queried as to why the article was put in mainspace with no sources, the article creator replied that "Wikipedia is a trusted source of news." Unfortunately, policy says otherwise, and literally half the article is about the subject's death and funeral. MSJapan (talk) 04:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Google News Archive search shows coverage over two decades in Ha'aretz and the Jerusalem Post. There is a strong presumption that many more reliable sources exist in Hebrew. The fact that the article was created after the subject's murder is irrelevant, as he was either notable or not notable no matter how he died.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  05:35, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 20:06, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Rather weak keep. The manner of his death was notable. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC).
 * Keep. There is certainly plenty of ongoing coverage of his death, including international coverage. This might have qualified under WP:NOTNEWS but he appears to have been a prominent and controversial figure before his murder as well. E.g. there are articles about him from 2010 in Ha'aretz, and in New York Post, again Ha'aretz in 2003, Jerusalem Post in 2004, etc. As Cullen328 notes, presumably many more sources exist in Hebrew language press. Passes WP:BIO. Nsk92 (talk) 10:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  —Shuki (talk) 09:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. He was notable and somewhat controversial individual, a spiritual leader of the Moroccan Jewish community in Israel, and the article is being gradually expanded. The fact that the article was not created until after his death has no relevance. Davshul (talk) 14:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, and surely he received plenty of coverage. It is true that he was a spiritual leader of the Moroccan Jewish community in Israel. He was known for tax controversies and fraud accusations well before his murder. See for example this source from 2005. See also the sources from 2010 by Haaretz cited in the article. Marokwitz (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note. "Somewhat controversial" in a great understatement. The new section about "Fraud and tax evasion claims" asserts notability. Marokwitz (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep if his funeral drew 10,000 including major national public figures, he was notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Nom should have merely clicked on interwiki to see a developed article in Hebrew. AFD is not the proper location to complain about stubs, and the right thing to do would be to add the morereferences template. Nonetheless, nom succeeded in bringing more attention to the article and causing a quick expansion. Given that, even without the controversy issue, the rabbi was quite secretive when he was alive and now after his murder more pictures and stories are emerging. Tens of thousands of people at a funeral and visiting the mourners certainly means the person was notable and frankly a major figure in th Jewish world. --Shuki (talk) 19:34, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep—the sources in the article indicate notability. —Ynhockey (Talk) 10:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, plenty of WP:RS and WP:V regarding the tragedy of this rabbi's murder and news reports about his controversial life make him notable, even if for notorious reasons. IZAK (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep-the article is supported by diverse sources (such as YNet, Haaretz, and Jerusalem Post.) I tend to agree with Shuki that more news about R. Abuhatzeira could surface after his death....follow the trail (talk) 22:29, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
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