Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elbonia


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The result was keep. John254 00:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Elbonia

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Unsourced original research, no sources found. Entirely in-universe. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 20:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. While this is certainly one of Scott Adams' creations, it's rarely mentioned even in his works (especially of late), let alone outside them.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dilbert. æ² ✆ 2008&#x2011;08&#x2011;09t22:05z
 * Keep, The entire article is not in-universe. The inspiration section describes Adams' opinion on the topic.  The article does need sourcing and cleanup but having in-universe content is not a reason for deletion.  Here are some reliable sources that mention Elbonia- ,,,.  And I found it mentioned in these offline sources:
 * Cocheo, Steve. "Globalthink or job shrink: offshore outsourcing brings some banks key benefits. If only it didn't carry all the cachet of leprosy. A look at what's actually happening." ABA Banking Journal 96.5 (May 2004)
 * Mitchell, Greg. "A shot and a chaser." Editor & Publisher (Oct 1, 2001): 21.  --Captain-tucker (talk) 22:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.   —Captain-tucker (talk) 22:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep More sources including a detailed scholarly paper on Elbonia's legal system. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Looking through a few such sources, it looks like this has become an example name for a random undeveloped country. In that case, it is no more notable than Alice, Bob, and Eve from cryptography, or 192.0.2.0/24 from RFC 3330.  --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 00:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The usage is not random. It is comparable with Ruritania and Freedonia which were the equivalents for other generations. Colonel Warden (talk) 06:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep The usage of Elbonia in the real-world out-of-universe sources provided here and in the article definitely reflect its origin in the Dilbert/Adams cartoon. To say that such usage is somehow not notable is unintelligible. --Firefly322 (talk) 04:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep- Captain-tucker proved real world notability pretty nicely with his sources. Umbralcorax (talk) 06:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * comment Seven Years of Highly Defective People has been cited as a source on Elbonia in the List of Dilbert characters article, that might be a good source of cites, particularly regarding Adams' use of Elbonia as a stand in for any country Americans don;t understand. Artw (talk) 07:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plenty notable, plenty of sources. Rebecca (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. References need to be cited, but Elbonia has been sighted outside of the works of Scott Adams and even in speech as the "average" (or archetypal) third-world or post-communist nation (even if only sarcastically). --coldacid (talk|contrib) 06:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


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