Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elder High School

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP. jni 09:18, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Elder High School
I'm actually from Ohio, and I've never heard of this place. I'm sure it's a great school, but the article fails to distinguish this school from any other Roman Catholic high school. -Aranel (" Sarah ") 03:39, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? GRider\talk 22:52, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's that school. I think I can be forgiven for not recognizing it based on the previous description, though. I still believe that schools need to prove notability in the article (not just hypothetically) if they are to be kept, but this one now accomplishes this (it really didn't when I nominated it). -Aranel (" Sarah ") 22:17, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep Philip 03:50, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Cleanup. Unfortunatly, the article is mostly well-writen, except for the signature on the bottom. humblefool&reg; 04:21, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep "Elder High School is the first Catholic Archdiocesan high school in Cincinnati" and "In November 2004 Elder High School acheived a first of it's kind, the broadcast of a varsity football game live on the Internet to more than 10,000 viewers across three continents," seems to distinguish it from other high schools. Any other High Schools out there beat that date? Weaponofmassinstruction 05:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article establishes notability for mine.Capitalistroadster 08:11, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep. These are precisely the type of school articles we should encourage.  Seems highly distinguishable to me!  &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 10:04, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. All schools are inherently notable. --Andylkl 10:20, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Being able to fill a 9000 seat stadium is a claim for at least local note, the internet broadcast is also interesting if true. As for all schools being of note, if an elementary school can fill a 9000 seat stadium then I'll accept it's notable... Average Earthman 12:42, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete . So here is your formula for high school notability, boys: establish that it has a big football stadium and a popular football team.   The article says 20,000 kids have graduated from the place in 80 years.  That is about 250 per year.  But it has a 9000-seat football stadium. It seems they have their priorities a bit twisted. How would you like to have graduated from "The Pit", a notable high school football stadium?   A locally notable football stadium doesn't make the school out back notable.  --BM 13:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, their priorities seem a bit twisted to me as well. But we list professional sports teams that get less than 9000 fans, and people don't have to go and watch sports (to me, the average school is where the set curriculum is taught, which is why I'm only occasionally convinced that a school article stands on its own rather than as part of the local school board or geographical article). So, yes, this establishment is of more note to me as a sporting venue than a school. Average Earthman 10:19, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Neutral. High schools are not inherently notable, but this one does establish some minor notability. Isomorphic 22:11, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * This didn't cover the important topics. Elder High School appears to have been at the heart of one of the biggest sex-abuse by priests scandals ever, but this wasn't even mentioned.  People who say delete should check if the place is notable (Google, for example) and people who say "keep" should check it covers the important facts.  This should be encyclopaedic, not vanity; keep now. Mozzerati 22:39, 2005 Feb 1 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree with Mozzerati.  Furthermore, VfD is not a cleanup tool.  GRider\talk 22:50, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep major notability has been established. Kappa 00:07, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. (Vote change) OK, you convinced me.  This place is even more messed up than I thought. Notably messed up.  --BM 00:09, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. This article attempts to establish notability, and it may be notable enough.  An article like this can certainly be given a chance for organic growth.  The important distinction is that this is actually an article.  It never ceases to amaze me how certain individuals on wikipedia continually vote to keep "articles" that are one or two sentences and give no good information on a school.  Even if all schools end up being notable, keeping a two sentence stub that says x school is in y city and the principal is named Bob is a disgrace to wikipedia. Indrian 06:02, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, now that notability (sex scandal) has been established. This differentiates it from most schools, which are inherently non-notable. Jayjg (talk)  20:09, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Wiki is no paper, schools are encyclopedic. --ShaunMacPherson 18:23, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
 * Comment Remember kids, if you want your HS covered in Wikipedia, cause a sex scandal.
 * Just kidding. - Keith D. Tyler  [ flame ]  22:58, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. A high school article that actually establishes notability. What a concept! Needs some cleanup, though.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 02:33, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Schools are inherently notable. Da 'Sco Mon 01:33, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Agree that schools are inherently notable CunningLinguist 01:40, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)