Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eleanor Coe Sinnott


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Eleanor Coe Sinnott

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The first Korean American woman in a notable position might be notable, but she is not in a notable or even important position--a judge at the lowest rank of the hierarchy, the Boston Veterans Treatment Court, and similar positions. Are we to do this with all possible ethnic categories for all possible courts? That seems much to close to NOT DIRECTORY   As would be expected, the references are local only, because there is no general interest, and consequently no encyclopedic interest.  DGG ( talk ) 20:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Being a trial judge in a local state court is not an inherent claim to notability. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, as creator. It's not just that she is a judge, it is that she was the first Korean-American to sit on the bench. --Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 01:19, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but I question how historic it was for her to be the first Korean-American judge in Massachusetts. From the main source used in the article: "When Eleanor Coe Sinnott was first appointed as a judge in 2006, she wasn’t aware of the fact that she was also the first Korean in Massachusetts to hold that title. 'I was told by other people that I was the first,' Sinnott said." --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have also added several new sources, including a profile of her by the American Bar Association, to further establish notability. --Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 02:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep while the subject is not inherently notable for being the first of her ethnic group to serve in a specific position, there are enough independent sources covering her in detail to establish notability.--User:Namiba 19:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete If someone tries hard enough you can almost always find sourcing on low level judges. We have decided that such people in general are not notable, and there is no reason to make an excemption here. Beyond this this is part of the creators plaguing Wikipedia with too many articles on local level non-notable people from Massachusetts, a plaguing of Wikipedia that needs to be stopped.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:11, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds a lot like "I don't like it" to me.--User:Namiba 21:43, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * , "Plaguing" is awfully strong language that I don't find particularly constructive. -- Slugger O&#39;Toole (talk) 02:03, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a very accurate description of the articles on clearly non-notable people you have burdened us with.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Does not pass WP:NJUDGE and falls short of GNG. While great trivia, possibly even a DYK if otherwise notable, we don't flip notability upside down and say "but there are enough sourcing --- after-the-fact. The subject is not notable for the judge position, or for being "the first Korean judge". The Brian Han article just does not add enough, certainly to clear WP:NJUDGE, and since notability is the property of the subject not the content, the rest of the sources do not add enough to make the subject WP:NOTEWORTHY, that is to sufficiently demonstrate: For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. --- Otr500 (talk)
 * Delete Local judge and the sources aren't that great so doesn't pass WP:GNG either. -kyykaarme (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


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