Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electrical installations in Herrenwyk


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Spartaz Humbug! 17:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Electrical installations in Herrenwyk

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badly factored article talks about two unrelated items (power station was demolished before hvdc converter even started), no assertion of notability, highly unlikely search box entry, fork of content at Lübeck-Herrenwyk and Baltic Cable, no substantial content not already in those two articles, no references or other additions in over a year, was discussed for AFD in July 2008 and no improvement since then. Wtshymanski (talk) 13:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
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 * Comment. As I was the person who created this article, I would like to give a background why this was done. Originally, major part of this information given in this article was the only section of Herrenwyk article. The Herrenwyk article was demerged because it seemed not logical to the article about the part of city talks mainly about electrical installations in the area. As it was dermerged from the Herrenwyk article, it is not the fort of its cntent. Later the article was expanded based on the article in the German wiki. Unfortunately, the Herrenwyk article and the article in the German wiki were poorly referenced, and therefore also this article still has lack of references. Beside of the power plant and the Baltic Cable converter station, there is also third item, namely 110 kV / 20 kV sub-station, which is not a part of the Baltic Cable. Information in this article is actually not covered in the Herrenwyk nor the Baltic Cable articles. Therefore, if the consensus would be that this article does not deserve to be a separate article, it would be necessary to merge this information into the Herrenwyk article before deleting this article. Beagel (talk) 14:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Correction. This is a first AfD nomination for this article and there was no AfD discussion in July 2009 as was stated by the nominator. There was a request for speedy deletion (CSD A7), which was denied. And the article was improved during the period of speedy deletion request. Beagel (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Further to correction (comment by nominator) - there was discussion of nominating this article for deletion in July 2008 but it was never nominated then. --Wtshymanski (talk) 13:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment, this article should be about the power station. By all means mention and links should be provided for Lübeck-Herrenwyk and Baltic Cable but the subject of the article should be the power station otherwise, per Wtshymanski, it does not really have a rational subject.  Sources in English seem to be hard to come by but it can at least be established that it existed.  In my view, power stations are a large and important enough construction to be intrinsically notable, even demolished ones, but the nominator is right that more sources are needed.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  16:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If I understand you correctly, you propose to rename this article to Herrenwyk power station and move information about the converter station to the Baltic Cable article and about he 110 kV / 20 kV sub-station to the Herrenwyk article? I think taht could be acceptable solution. Beagel (talk) 16:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * First, the substation is pretty low down the electrical infrastructure heirarchy and non-notable as far as I can see. If it belongs anywhere, a mention along with the inverter on whose site it resides would be appropriate, not the article for the town, but I would be inclined to lose it altogether.  Secondly, although you keep referring to it, we do not have an article for Herrenwyk, it is a redirect to Lübeck-Herrenwyk which is itself a very short stub.  There does not seem any point to me in Lübeck-Herrenwyk existing at all in its current state and should be merged with Lübeck which pretty much already says everything that is in the Lübeck-Herrenwyk article.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  17:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 * (Comment by nominator) Agree that not every substation is notable - you'll find one every couple of miles most places and no-one writes about them (in general) unless something blows up or someone breaks in and injures himself. The converter station is already described at Baltic Cable. --Wtshymanski (talk) 13:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with your comment concerning substations and I don't think that there should be a separate article about this substation. I also agree, that the Baltic Cable article covers the converter station as a part of this installation. It leaves only the power plant. I see here two options: if this power plant s notable (I think that probably is) and there is enough information (I have some doubts about this), it probably deserves its own article and in this case it would be reasonable to cleanup and rename the current article. If not, it probably should be deleted. Beagel (talk) 17:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cirt (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Note: Relisted for final time JForget  22:27, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * keep as an article about the power station and rename, per above. Most large-scale power generation facilities are notable, I have no opinion regarding whether the substation should be mentioned on another article, but I don't think it needs to be here. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep and deal with further as Thryduulf suggests. Seems reasonable to me.    DGG ( talk ) 22:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't "rename" articles. There's nothing to keep that's not already in Baltic cable and Lübeck. There's nothing to say about the power station and mere existence is not notability. --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
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