Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Electrolux Bitola


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Electrolux Bitola

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Hoax article about a fictional company (with claimed company slogan "Macedonia sucks like an Electrolux"), an article that has existed since January 2013, but is part of a larger hoax that apparently started already four years ago. The article has been nominated for deletion at AfD, instead of a request for speedy deletion as a hoax, in order to have a deletion debate on record in case it is being recreated.

The only sources in the article lead to http://www.electrolux.com.mk (though in some cases by way of other URLs, such as electrolux.mk), an apparently home made web site with pictures ripped from the web site of the real Electrolux, the world's second largest manufacturer of home appliances, headquartered in Sweden (which according to their website have no presence in Macedonia). Bitola is a small town in southern Macedonia, and the person who apparently is behind these hoaxes, Dimche/Dimce Palenzo, seems to be a real person living out his fantasies on Wikipedia, but there is no such thing as a "Bitola Stock Exchange" or a "Bitola index" as claimed in the article.

According to the first version of the article "Electrolux Bitola" was claimed to have 10,000+ employees, which would make it a huge company by Macedonian standards, yet the only hits on Google are to its own web site and websites with user created content, with not a single mention in third party sources. There might be a small repair shop for household appliances in Bitola, judging by a picture on the hoax website, but the rest of the article is pure fiction. The article itself is patterned on Electrolux, and the users who have contributed to this article, both named users and IPs, have also made repeated attempts to change the nationality of the real company to Macedonian, , instead of Swedish, and have also made repeated attempts to enter the name "Dimche Palenzo" both as an original founder of the real Electrolux , and as current head of the company, edits which have equally repeatedly been reverted, without any attempts to check it up, which is why the hoax article hasn't been detected until now. Dimche/Dimce Palenzo also has created other hoax material on en-WP (including Draft:Dimche Petko Palenzo, User:Palenzo and the now reverted hijacking attempt User:Frinko), and has also claimed on other pages that he has entered the world of fashion (sourced to a hoax website, http://palenzo.com.mk/, with a fake web shop, where there are pictures of merchandise, but no prices and no way to buy anything...), but since that material isn't in article space (other than a couple of attempts to create articles as Talk:xx) I will nominate those pages for speedy deletion as hoaxes after this deletion discussion is over. One page (Talk:Dimche Palenzo) has also already been deleted twice as a hoax, first by on 1 September this year, and then by  on 17 September. Thomas.W talk 13:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. JohnCD (talk) 13:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. JohnCD (talk) 13:50, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I think it possible that this may have started as an attempt to make an article about a real, small Macedonian company by copying and adapting an existing article, but claims like "Electrolux DP has a primary listing on the Bitola Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the Bitola index" (copied from the Electrolux article's "Electrolux has a primary listing on the Stockholm Stock Exchange and is a constituent of the OMX Stockholm 30 index") take this firmly into hoax territory. I doubt whether the real company is notable, but even if it is WP:TNT applies here. JohnCD (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete (or speedy G3/G4) per above. I could blurb about how wrong things are (Macedonian denar is MKD and doesn't end with an additional "euro") but you guys get the idea.  野狼院 ひさし  Hisashi Yarouin 06:44, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.