Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elena Berkova


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. After substantially extended time for discussion, there is a consensus to keep the article based on sources sufficient to demonstrate notablity. bd2412 T 02:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Elena Berkova

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Non notable. Sources are not substantive and GNG and ENT are not met. Spartaz Humbug! 20:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
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Comment: Given that she is a Ukrainian and Russian, I figured a translation of her Russian wikipedia page would give us more insight into her notability. Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:ENT / WP:BASIC. Ru.wiki article is equally unconvincing for notability. --K.e.coffman (talk) 04:50, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. Popular media persona, the most famous porn actress in Russia. Enough to look at Google. According to official statistics, the most requested name in RuNet, , .--Kirill Samredny (talk) 07:07, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:GNG.
 * "Elena Berkova received a term for drugs" in Argumenty i Fakty
 * "Andrey Lefler removed Sveta from Ivanovo and Elena Berkova in the erotic thriller 'Forgive'" in Novy Vzglyad
 * "Elena Berkova in court proves that she is not a porn actress", "Elena Berkova deprived her ex-husband of parental rights", presidential campaign, I think this is about her divorce, "Porn actress Elena Berkova regained consciousness after hospitalization", and "Elena Berkova after hospitalization decided to get married" in Moskovskij Komsomolets
 * "Berkova told about her condition after hospitalization" in Izvestia. Blumpf (talk) 09:12, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read these sources?.Can you read Russian (I can)? The vast majority are sourced to Berkova's social media or have no by-line or lack substantial content of critical discussion. In no way can they be considered substantial enough to maintain a BlP. Most of the content is tabloid gossip fodder too which is not going to cut the mustard. Spartaz Humbug! 19:13, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The general requirement for notability is significant or non-trivial coverage by reliable sources, not "substantial content of critical discussion". You are conflating the requirement of non-trivial coverage to mean that the coverage of the subject matter itself must be substantive (of substance and is subjective) rather than substantial (not mere mentions of the subject or literally the amount of coverage which is a much more objective standard). There is a difference.  If the sources cite to her social media, then that caveat could be directly acknowledged in any assertions within her article. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:57, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Blumpf and the vast number of articles covering her in the Cyrillic search of Google News. I am skeptical of the reliability of Moskovskij Komsomolets but her coverage by sources like Echo of Moscow and RIA Novosti easily pass the GNG. The nominator's ability to read Russian confounds why WP:BEFORE wasn't applied through a Cyrillic search. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:18, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep - Few sources, but meets WP:BASIC.Guilherme Burn (talk) 22:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I reviewed the sources, and they are passing mentions, tabloid trivia, and / or WP:SPIP. In one, we learn that the subject plans to run for a political office, according to herself. In a few others, her minor drug conviction is mentioned. This does not make someone notable, and such sources do not count for notability with doctors, businesspeople, and creative professionals. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Snort. Okay. Such sources do not bother covering your doctors, businesspeople, and creatives for these things. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, EggRoll97 (talk) 21:36, 1 June 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I've re-opened this due to a request from another editor in my talk page. EggRoll97 (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  M h hossein   talk 06:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Nothing I see from the article or sources provided exhibit any notability to what Wikipedia requires. Trillfendi (talk) 18:59, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep as per sources presented above, Easily meets GNG. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


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