Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elena Rumyantseva


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The result was   delete. Due to concerns over verifiability and hence also notability.  Sandstein  07:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Elena Rumyantseva

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No sourced autobiography Истребительница (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:36, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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 * Comment. Wow, this one is really quite something. I do not have a definitive opinion yet but at the moment I am leaning towards delete, based on WP:V and WP:BLP concerns. The article is clearly relentlessly self-promotional and looks to be a WP:AUTO or WP:COI case. I looked through the talk page of the ru-wiki version of the article and people there are also complaining about not being able to verify various things, about WP:RS issues with sources cited etc. Various googlenews, googlescholar and googlebooks searches for the name of the author (both in English and in Russian) also produce fairly little, which is hard to reconcile with the grand claims made in the article (here is a sample search in Russian). I tried to do some worldcat searches for various versions of transliteration of the subject's name but did not find anything that looks like her books (maybe someone else should give it another try, though). This is all pretty strange given the grandiose claims made in the article. One thing that does check out is the "best economist" prize but the people at the talk page of the ru-wiki version of the article claim that the organization that made the award is not really notable itself. Basically, I have no idea how we here can untangle this mess and decide what is and what is not verifiable from the information in the article and the current text does not look salvageable to me... If someone with some economics background and some knowledge of Russian can comment here, that'd be good. Nsk92 (talk) 21:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. By the time that a BLP gets to AfD it is required that notability be demonstrated explicitly. The extensive researches of Nsk92 have failed to turn up anything of deciding substance. GS gives two cites of 36 and 18, which is nowhere near enough. The genealogical evidence is charming but would confer notability only on the close family of a reigning monarch. If further evidence appears I am prepared to change my vote. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Keep Comment. Looks notable to me.Biophys (talk) 04:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to be more specific? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC).
 * an author of 35 books.Biophys (talk) 05:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * A search of Google books and Google Scholar with -author:"Elena Rumyantseva"- gives zero relevant hits. Xxanthippe (talk) 05:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Do you really suggest that all book references that are currently included in this article were fake? They do not look fake.Biophys (talk) 17:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Uncertain article needs trimming down to proper size, perhaps 1/10, and translation from google-english, , and made less like a CV, but the presumption is that an author such as this is important. I'm looking further to try to identify the books.  The google translation of the Russian talk p is fascinating  -- there is a repeated assertion that her noble origins are what make her important, and a discussion of whether the degree of her noble  ancestry is sufficiently distinguished,  but that's the part I think we would all remove here as totally irrelevant.    DGG ( talk ) 05:36, 31 December 2009 (UTC), I have not yet succeeded in identifying the books. Reading more of the talk page, it is seriously questioned whether all the supporting material are actually independent, or were written also by her. It is hard to judge the reputations of people on another WP, and I would appreciate it if Biophys or someone else actually knowledgeable could comment in detail.    DGG ( talk ) 17:12, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * She appear to be a notable person based on the article in ruwiki. Sorry, but I do not have time to actually find and read her books. And I do not care if this article kept or deleted. Let's delete. Not a big deal. Biophys (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Ultimately I don't see the article's text as salvageable and don't see how to separate verifiable from non-verifiable bits. In this case I think WP:V and WP:BLP concerns outweigh the other considerations. Nsk92 (talk) 11:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I took a sample book listed in the article, «the Technique an estimation of productivity of agrarian reforms. Calculations on 51 country of the world» (1999; ISBN 985-6320-51-8), and tried to check the library holdings for its ISBN number. Worldcat has no entry for this book, Open Library also has nothing, Internet Book Database has nothing, Karlsruhe Virtual catalog has nothing[http://kvk.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib-bin/kvk/nph-kvk2.cgi?maske=kvk-last&title=UB+Karlsruhe%3A+Karlsruhe+Virtual+Catalog+KVK+%3A+Search+results&header=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-header_en_2007_07.html&spacer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-spacer_en_2007_07.html&footer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-footer_en_2008_01.html&lang=en&css=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-neu2.css&input-charset=utf-8&hinweise=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de%2Fkvk%2Fkvk%2Fkvk-hinweise_en_2009_10.html&kvk-session=0SE0JNQS&ALL=&TI=&PY=&AU=&SB=9856320518&CI=&SS=&ST=&PU=&kataloge=SWB&kataloge=BVB&kataloge=NRW&kataloge=HEBIS&kataloge=HEBIS_RETRO&kataloge=KOBV&kataloge=GBV&kataloge=DDB&kataloge=DMA&kataloge=STABI_BERLIN&kataloge=TIB&kataloge=OEVK_GBV&kataloge=VD16&kataloge=VD17&kataloge=ZDB&kataloge=BIBOPAC&kataloge=LBOE&kataloge=OENB_1501&kataloge=OENB_1930&kataloge=OENB_1992&kataloge=HELVETICAT&kataloge=BASEL&kataloge=ZUERICH&kataloge=ETH&kataloge=VKCH_RERO&kataloge=DFG_EBOOKS&kataloge=DFG_AUFSAETZE&kataloge=NLAU&kataloge=CISTI&kataloge=NLCA&kataloge=NB_TSCHECHIEN&kataloge=DAENEMARK_REX&kataloge=EROMM&kataloge=UBHS&kataloge=BNF_PARIS&kataloge=ABES&kataloge=NB_UNGARN&kataloge=VERBUND_ISRAEL&kataloge=ITALIEN_VERBUND&kataloge=ITALIEN_SERIALS&kataloge=LUXEMBURG&kataloge=NB_NIEDERLANDE&kataloge=VERBUND_NORWEGEN&kataloge=NB_POLEN&kataloge=PORTUGAL&kataloge=STAATSBIB_RUSSLAND&kataloge=BNE&kataloge=REBIUN&kataloge=VERBUND_SCHWEDEN&kataloge=COPAC&kataloge=BL&kataloge=LOC_DIREKT&kataloge=NLM&kataloge=WORLDCAT&target=_blank&Timeout=120]. This suggests to me that either the ISBN is invalid or that the book is really obscure.  Nsk92 (talk) 17:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. Per Nsk92, this fails WP:V, one of our core policies. It's possible there is a core of notable truth to all this, but we're not going to find it by sifting this article. I tried Google news (for her name in Roman characters) but found only a French-language story from 2005 about a stampede at a party that killed a college student from Murmansk by the same name. There are several other stories about different people named Yelena Rumyantseva but I'm not sure whether any of them match the subject of our article and in any case there still doesn't seem enough to go by even to stub this down to something believable. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete this mess of an "article" for failing WP:V, the topic might be allowable if properly written and sourced. Abductive  (reasoning) 05:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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