Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elendil


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The result was redirect to Númenor. Redirect is clearly the consensus, although the preferred target is not so obvious. I've picked one, but editors are welcome to debate it further at the redirect's talk page, or at WP:RFD if necessary. RL0919 (talk) 01:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Elendil

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This Tolkien's character seems to fail GNG/NFICTION. BEFORE shows no in-depth analysis; Tolkien Encyclopedia does not have a dedicated entry on him. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 20:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  20:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  20:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Willbb234Talk (please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 21:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * A little bit of information in, but I would say only one paragraph really counts as in-depth coverage. Honestly, I expected there to be information on this figure, but I found nothing that would be considered substantial coverage except for a college term paper, which would not be RS.  Plausible search term so redirect somewhere, maybe to Dúnedain? Hog Farm (talk) 23:06, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to  Elendil is only notable from an in-universe perspective. &#8213; Susmuffin Talk 04:36, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete He has no real role in any of Tolkien's work, he is just deep in the background. Also not enough secondary sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is hugely frustrating that those unfamiliar with the sources are missing what should be obvious (surely?). It took only a few minutes of looking on Google Books for me to find the following:
 * Nicholas Birns in 'The Stones and the Book: Tolkien, Mesopotamia, and Biblical Mythopoeia' in Tolkien and the Study of His Sources: Critical Essays (2011) edited by Jason Fisher, where there is a 2-page treatment of Elendil as a Noachian figure.
 * Now, this could easily be covered at Númenor, along with the whole Atlantis myth and The Lost Road matter (of which a good treatment is found in A Question of Time: J.R.R. Tolkien's Road to Faërie (2001) by Verlyn Flieger, especially pages 83 to 86), but there is absolutely no reason not to have a redirect pointing to the right place, and no reason not to preserve the edit history, so failing a keep, redirect to Númenor. Carcharoth (talk) 14:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Elendil is certainly a plausible search term, and is mentioned in several Middle-earth articles, so at the least must be a Redirect. Carcharoth has found a major source but we would need more. Tom Shippey's The Road to Middle-Earth discusses (3rd ed., 2005, pp 336-337) Tolkien's The Lost Road and his "continuous playing with names", viz. Elendil = Elf-friend = Alboin = Audoin = Old English Aelfwine (the narrator in the frame-story). The matter is at least worth discussing in a section on Tolkien's philology, methods, and influences, as Carcharoth's source is. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


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