Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elián


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:44, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Elián

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This appears to be a TV documentary by a news channel. I don't see the significance. Note that there are reliable sources to be found, but I'm still not sure that those add up to notability for this sort of work. bd2412 T 12:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: To the extent that sources are available, this can be merged into Elián González; the title should redirect to the disambiguation page Elian. bd2412  T 13:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 16:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Support OP's proposal to merge and to redirect. From a reader's POV, it would be most helpful to find everything about Elián González in one place. Narky Blert (talk) 12:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:08, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. A notable documentary. Should be mention in the article on Elian of it isn't already. FloridaArmy (talk) 21:00, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * There is no hint of this "substantial coverage in reliable independent sources" in the article. bd2412  T 21:07, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * All you have to do is search "Elian documentary". Oodles of coverage. ABC News etc. here is a Miami Herald article on the film and ensuing controversy. Why didn't the nom look for substantial coverage before nominating the article for deletion? Clearly notable. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:33, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I noted in the nom that there are reliable sources to be found, but the subject matter is basically a repackaging of the notability of Elián Gonzalez, the person. The synopsis merely summarizes the key events of his life. This is not a theatrical film, but a one-shot television documentary, no different from the televised retrospectives of other famous people that are made from time to time. bd2412  T 22:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The sources I noted and the one I linked are much more than a synopsis. The Miami Herald discusses the filmmaker, the filmmaking process, interviews, sights visited etc. Etc. It's an in depth article about the film and its historical context. Notable. FloridaArmy (talk) 23:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to improve the article to this effect. bd2412  T 23:46, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I have to say people should be able to vote without anything being said about them changing the article. Subuey (talk) 03:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)


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 * Keep per meeting WP:NF through sources found that can be used to improve this topic. needing work is no reason to delete or merge a notable topic... though it IS to do some work. Easily found are Film Daily, The Film Stage, Slannt Magazine, Queer Guru, Film Journal International, Hollywood Reporter, Screen Daily and Common Sense Media to name but a few. No need ever to merge what can stand on its own. Schmidt,  Michael Q. 12:21, 11 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep – per a review of available sources, passes WP:NFP / WP:GNG. North America1000 04:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


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