Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eli Goree


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 15:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Eli Goree

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WP:BLP of an actor, who has a potentially valid claim of notability under WP:NACTOR as a cast member in a popular television series, but who isn't properly sourced. Two of the sources here are simple filmography listings in directories where every actor gets a filmography listing regardless of whether they satisfy our inclusion rules or not, one is his own acting résumé on the website of Canada's actors' union (a primary source that cannot contribute notability), one is a YouTube video and one is a blog. None of this constitutes acceptable sourcing for a Wikipedia article regardless of how much notability is claimed — the quality of sourcing that can be provided to support the claim is what passes or fails NACTOR, not the mere fact that an unsourced or poorly sourced claim of notability is being made. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if it can be sourced properly. Bearcat (talk) 18:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  19:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nova Scotia-related deletion discussions.  /wiae   /tlk  19:32, 9 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as unlikely better for WP:CREATIVE. SwisterTwister   talk  02:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – I'd put this one on hold for now: Goree was just cast in Freeform's upcoming Dead of Summer. (See: ). I suspect if this show goes forward, he'll (narrowly) pass WP:NACTOR at that point. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * More: Variety mention not included at article, The Hollywood Reporter story on Goree's casting in The 100 also not included... I suspect that Goree may pass WP:NACTOR even now. I'll think this over some more, and may come back with a Keep if I can find other sourcing. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is those two sources aren't about him — they just namecheck his existence, which isn't the same thing. Dead of Summer may well get him over NACTOR if the coverage of him shoots up once it's actually started airing, but it's WP:CRYSTAL to give him an NACTOR pass just for being cast in a pilot — because what if the pilot doesn't actually get picked up, and even if it does actually start airing how do we know it won't get cancelled after one episode? We don't put things on hold just because the topic's notability might beef up in the future — we keep or delete them based on what's already true today, and then allow recreation in the future if their notability does beef up. Bearcat (talk) 06:35, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, THR article is about Goree – it's about him (and another actor) being cast in The 100. I consider that one to legitimately add to notability. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 08:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * For an article to be "about" him in the manner necessary to count toward GNG, it would have to contain much more substantial and verifiable information about him than that. All that article does is verify that he was cast in a role, with no other information about him besides that fact — and even the part that is about him is only a very small fraction of the entire article. Bearcat (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If such a strict interpretation of GNG were consistently applied like you want, about half (and possibly more) of our current actor BLP Stub and Start articles would be deleted from this encyclopedia. The fact is very few actors get substantial indepedent articles written up exclusively about them (probably only about the Top 5% of the "celebrity" class). If Eli Goree had two other sources akin to that THR article, I'm quite sure it would get accepted through AfC easily. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep (original author): Although some of the sources may not be sufficient, I would say the video interview and the interview by Mrs. Wild constitute as credible references. As for WP:NACTOR, it is my understanding that he fulfills all three points somewhat and will do so even more in the future (as per User:IJBall). Also, it would have been nice if you had notified me before AFD'ing this article. :) Greetings, rayukk &#124; talk 18:28, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Interviews, regardless of whether they're in video or print, don't aid passage of WP:GNG — they represent the subject talking about himself, not other people writing or talking about him, so they're acceptable for supplementary confirmation of facts after GNG has already been met but cannot bring GNG in and of themselves. And NACTOR can only be satisfied if the claims to satisfaction are properly sourced — it's not passed just by asserting that it's passed, or by parking its passage on sources that don't count toward GNG. And "may pass NACTOR better in the future" doesn't help, either. An article is kept or deleted based on what's already true today, not what might become true in the future — if he may become more notable in the future, then the time for an article about him is when the future has actually arrived, and anytime before that is WP:TOOSOON. Bearcat (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:18, 17 February 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:48, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It's a close one, but I think there's just enough there to meet WP:NACTOR. sources are borderline, but I think it's worth keeping for an actor who will deserve an article sooner rather than later anyway. Cindlevet (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2016 (UTC)


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