Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elias Wen (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. !voters post the relist mostly seem to agree with Zahne and Orthodox Church's position of his (along with enough coverage to go along with WP:GNG). If anyone wants a merge, free to discuss on talk page of the article itself. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:07, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Elias Wen
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This article has almost no sources and not even a serious claim to notability. He was an old clergyman, and... yeah, that's it. WP:NOPAGE, and nowhere to redirect it. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete This article fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO1E, WP:NOPAGE, and most importantly WP:MEMORIAL. This WP:PERMASTUB article serves no purpose other then to memorialize this random old clergyman and has no place in this encyclopedia. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:30, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - as Rector of the Shanghai Orthodox Cathedral, he was one of the highest ranking Chinese persons in the Orthodox Church (see obituary), and he also happened to be the oldest Orthodox priest in history. -Zanhe (talk) 09:21, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete the linked page is a much better place to memorialize the man. Agree with Newshunter. Legacypac (talk) 09:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep has reliable sources coverage and is notable as a high ranking chinese clergyman in the Orthodox church as well as his age Atlantic306 (talk) 19:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 3 articles is hardly sustained coverage. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 00:10, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Agree per, Notable as a high ranking chinese clergyman. 74.50.209.241 (talk) 09:00, 6 December 2018 (UTC) — 74.50.209.241 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Zahne; he was the founder of the Shanghai China Orthodox Association; also sources exist most likely for him in Chinese or in offline or archived sources. JC7V (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTAL. Sources have to actually exist. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 00:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * , My vote is only partly based on WP:NEXIST in that there may be significant coverage of Elias Wen in reliable sources from the early to mid 20th century and from Chinese media. Someone who did what he did would surely be covered more decades ago than in the last decade (save for obituary articles). My vote, however is mostly based on the fact that he was one of the highest ranking Chinese people in the Orthodox Church and the oldest orthodox priest in history which is a pretty big claim of significance and the sources provided in the article seem fine enough. I am willing to change my vote if my searches don't turn up any trace of WP:NEXIST. JC7V (talk) 01:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Sources have been added, and as someone of such a significant position in the Church he should qualify on notability ground. Hzh (talk) 15:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


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