Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliezer Palczynski


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 15:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Eliezer Palczynski

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Delete per WP:BIO. This article on a lesser-known rosh yeshiva has one citation, Yeshiva World News, regarding his death; the rest of the article is unsourced. A check of Google and Google Books turns up no other sources. Yoninah (talk) 20:01, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. Well, well. An intensive search for sources turned up reliable biographical information under 5 different spellings of his name (none of which, by the way, are the one in the page title). I hereby withdraw this nomination. Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Keep Notable dean and scholar. Lack of sourcing has more to do with the 12 ways to spell his name and the fact that the sources are in Hebrew. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 03:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Your argument will be more persuasive if you give examples of such sources, since the article does not have them. Zerotalk 03:46, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment The single source contains only a fraction of the article content, which is a big problem. In looking for sources, one must note multiple possible spellings: Palczynski, Palczynsky, Palachinski, Palachinsky, Pultchinsky, Pultchinski, Pulchinsky, Pulchinski, etc.  This didn't help me much; as far as I can tell he is essentially unknown in English publications. Probably there is more in Hebrew, but the article in he.wikipedia has very few sources too. It notes a brief 1963 mention in Davar, but that is hardly enough.  I'm generally in favor of articles on famous rabbis, but so far a case for notability and source availability has not been made. Zerotalk 03:46, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep because:
 * 1) He was a very well known Talmudic scholar, as stated in Eliezer Palczynski with many famous disciples e.g. Rabbis Mattisyahu Solomon; Moshe Shapiro, Nosson Tzvi Finkel and others prominent in their own right.
 * 2) As author of respected Talmudic scholarly works, , each entitled Shelom Yehuda (שלום יהודה) in memory of his father, he is thus regarded as WP:NOTABLE.
 * 3) Sure the article could use improvement, but to any WP:EXPERT in this field, it is an important encyclopedia entry. Therefore WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE should apply in this case.
 * 4) Here's are references to him that quote an episode in his life in Google books (note, where his name is spelled Palchinski) The Brisker Rav (in English), and as Palchinsky where gives the approbation to the cited book approbation to the cited book (also in English).
 * 5) Please note that this AfD hits upon a huge dilemma. Haredim and their leaders do not function like Western leaders. They despise the media and the academic world. They do not allow their children to study secular studies. They are vehemently opposed to the Internet and certainly to any form of mass publicity through it. See Of ostriches and cavemen; Can Israeli rabbis enforce their ban against the Internet? and Bezeq to launch ‘Kosher’ internet. The net result of all this is that one will often find very little information on the Web about some of the most notable and highly-regarded rabbis and Jewish sages. Thus one must often rely on the barest of crumbs that would minimally satisfy Wikipedia's standards and criteria for how to verify notability. Actually, Haredi rabbis would probably be very happy that no articles are written about them anywhere on the Internet and certainly not on Wikipedia. So these kinds of situations require great care and inspection so that one does miss the forest for the trees. IZAK (talk) 13:30, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * All your points are good ones. I'll add that the need for good sources depends on a lot on the type of information. Uncontroversial biographical details are not so important, but stuff like claims of greatness really shouldn't be allowed unless sourced. Zerotalk 00:10, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Zero: I am not disputing you, and that is why I spent just a little time online and already found a few good leads that easily backed up the fact that he was a famous rosh yeshiva (yeshiva dean/head). No one ever thought that mere "claims" of greatness were at work here because he did leave behind enough specialized scholarly work, albeit in Talmud and in Hebrew (for some scholars sometimes it is in Yiddish and sometimes in other languages), that most secular English readers won't get. But this is obviously still not easy because there are plenty of famous people and scholars in every major field of study who are not well known to the public but who in their own fields wield great respect and if one digs deep enough there are enough references to them and their works that a determined search online will uncover, as I did. Thanks again for your thoughtful reply. IZAK (talk) 16:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article is currently nicely sourced. -- -- -- 01:53, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep: the sourcing definitely supports the notability now. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 00:24, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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