Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elijah Manley (2nd nomination)


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The result was redirect to 2016 Green Party presidential primaries. Opinion is split, but there's consensus to not keep this.  Sandstein  21:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Elijah Manley
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The main claim of notability is that he's the youngest person to ever run for US president but that does not make him notable because, among other reasons, he's too young to run for president (per the constitution!) anyways. So running was a publicity stunt that got very little coverage. (He officially ran for the Socialist Party of the United States of America) He also simultaneously ran for the 2016 presidential nomination of the Green Party where he got trounced (obviously). In 2018, he was a distant third in a local school board election. Now he's announced that he would run in a primary election for the Democratic nomination for State Representative for Florida's 94th House District but incumbent Bobby DuBose is unlikely to lose if he seeks the nomination. Of the current references, only one qualifies as reliable and somewhat significant, the other two being links to LinkedIn and Ballotpedia. I don't think Manley meets the requirements of WP:GNG and he definitely fails WP:NPOL. Pichpich (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Pichpich (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Pichpich (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Redirect to 2016 Green Party presidential primaries. A candidates success in elections that they run in does not matter unless winning would make them pass WP:NPOL. He clearly fails that, and as for GNG, coverage mostly seems to be confined to local newspapers in Southern Florida based around his State House run. The College Media Network article might be an exception, but just looking at the mess that is that website's page makes me severely doubt that it is a reliable source. However, as his run for the Green nomination is documented in a table there, it is clearly a good redirect target. Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to 2016 Green Party presidential primaries. It seems the claim to notability is his run for President which is outlined in the proposed redirect page. The current article isn't enough to qualify for WP:GNG and as mentioned before doesn't meet WP:NPOL. Bioforce12 (talk) 03:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not a free PR platform for aspiring future notables to publicize themselves, so people do not get Wikipedia articles just for running as candidates for elected office. The presidential primary was literally just a publicity stunt, as even now he's still not old enough to even be eligible to run for president — and precisely because of that limitation, the claim that he was "the youngest person ever to run for president" is entirely unverifiable and of no practical significance anyway. The fact that he's running for something again in 2020 doesn't automatically qualify him for an article now, because the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable office, not just running for one — and the fact that a handful of campaign coverage happens to exist is not in and of itself a WP:GNG-based exemption from having to pass NPOL either, because every candidate in every election everywhere can always show a handful of campaign coverage. Obviously he'll qualify for an article in November if he wins the seat, since his notability claim will have changed from "candidate" to "officeholder", but nothing here is enough to already earn him an article today. Bearcat (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I call hogwash on the "if elected he would be the youngest Florida legislator" is this ever (which I doubt) or currently (which makes assumptions about who else will win). He is an unelected candidate for state legislature which is inherently non-notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. While he hasn't held a NPOL worthy office. He may fit the criteria in WP:POLOUTCOMES, he is the youngest person to run for president of the US and the youngest to run for Florida office. You could also argue that his press coverage exceeds what a usual state rep candidate coverage would normally be. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Youngest person ever to run as a candidate for X office" is not a notability claim in and of itself; the claims are also not actually being properly verified by any reliable sources confirming them, and the reason why "youngest person ever to run for president of the United States" especially doesn't work has already been addressed above — even today he's still not old enough to even be eligible to run for or serve as president, which makes the claim both unverifiable (there can easily be younger people who attempted a presidential run and just didn't get any non-trivial media coverage for that since it was a moot point) and not of any significant or enduring interest even if it could be verified as true. Bearcat (talk) 17:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment while I do not think that it alone is enough to pass GNG, I did miss that Manley has received what is probably significant coverage in this article by The Atlantic: The People Who Think Bernie Is Moderate. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:44, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


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