Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliphalet Pond, Jr.


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Eliphalet Pond, Jr.

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county register of deeds is not a position that makes one default notable. The sourcing is such we could find for every single holder of office at the county level, in the US ever, and in no way shows notability. The position in the military is below the level that would make him notable John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete with fire and storm: per nom, per recent such AfDs, and for such threadbare sources that achieving "trivial mention" level would take more effort. From an editor of his experience, creating this sub-stub is in trout slap country.   Ravenswing      00:07, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep - In an era of few colonial/state/national officials, he held three local positions. To paraphrase Tip O'Neill, all politics was literally local c. 1800 United States, when our state and federal governments had extremely small full-time staffs. I'm assuming good faith by . Bearian (talk) 16:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I just want to emphasize a few points (copied in part from Articles for deletion/James Foord): Before 1800, the federal and state governments were minuscule compared to what they would become later, so local governments had out-sized influence in Americans' lives. Fewer than 100,000 white men voted in the 1800 United States presidential election. State and local governments were practically independent, according to the Report of 1800. In the War of 1812, and going into the Era of Good Feelings, the United States government grew exponentially. States also grew larger and started to enforce the idea of separation of powers into their state and local governments at the time. In the 1828 election 1,148,018 white men voted, 10 times the number who'd voted 28 years prior, a reflection of overall growth in population, immigration and naturalization, the expanding suffrage to White working class men, the Louisiana Purchase, and the greater number and importance of Federal officials. So I'd lean to keep the ones of those who served their careers in local government earlier. Pond's entire career was 1793 to 1813. Bearian (talk) 17:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: And if you'd like to take that argument to NPOL's talk page, fair enough, but the guideline on the ground doesn't grant presumptive notability to minor county and town positions: 0+0+0=0.   Ravenswing     22:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. While I appreciate Bearian's comments, the fact remains that the sourcing is terrible. Even the Dedham Historical Register only mentions him once in passing. Great first name though; I'm going to name my first son Eliphalet ... or Sue. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It looks as if his post as registrar of deeds for the county was the result of being Town Clerk of Dedham, Norfolk County's main town. However in both roles he was merely a NN local official.  Without him having done something more significant, he fails WP:POLITICIAN or the equivalent for officials.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


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