Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elis Paprika


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Procedural keep. Per Cullen328 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 04:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Elis Paprika

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This article is a hot mess of BLP vios, promotional language, red links, and conflict of interest editing. The main editor is User:Cachizalo who I strongly suspect to be the current drummer of her group, Cachi Zazueta. Perhaps it could be massively stripped down to a stub or basic article but I couldn't do it. ALL the refs are external links and only a few seem legit but are often behind paywalls. Oh, and the majority of the text is pure original research. If someone wants to step in and save it, be my guest. Mark Ironie (talk) 02:26, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 03:59, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hello. I sincerely believe this article about Elis Paprika to be as accurate as I, and most everyone else that has edited it could make it. I have nothing to do with the artist or her band. If there are any doubts on the veracity of any of the refs, I invite you to follow them so you can see everything has been checked before including it. There have been previous attempts to mess with some of he information included, and after checking it, it has been corrected. I do not see where any of this information would be promotional, but if you feel that some of it might be more than purely educational, please point it out so that it can be addressed. Thank you for taking the time to revise my, and other people's work here in this page. I wish to be helpful with any doubts. Cachizalo (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cachizalo (talk • contribs) 05:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I have removed all red links from the article. I also wanted to comment that there are multiple interviews online where Elis Paprika tells the story of her origin as an artist, always describing the same events. Again, thank you for taking the time to revise this article. Cachizalo (talk) 06:34, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Thank you for your input. Perhaps I was hasty in putting this up in AfD. I should have taken my concerns to the article talk page and with tags on the article itself. I'm not sure I have the time and energy to overhaul the article myself but I will list more specific concerns there. Here are a few to start. Promotional material without verifiable and reliable sources needs to be rewritten. If you have a conflict of interest (e.g., if you are part of the band or management) you should confine your input to the talk page. Overall, the article lacks an impartial tone and a neutral point of view. Please read WP:BETTER which outlines some of specifics for writing an article. You can use this ), particularly the news link, it will give you possible sources for citations.  Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 17:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment Thank you Mark Ironie for your comments and suggestions. And thank you for acknowledging that it might have been a bit hasty to put this up in AfD. I am however trying to improve the article based on your suggestions, to start with. Like I mentioned before, I have no conflict of interest with this artist, and I started this article being a follower of this artist. Many people have edited it afterwards too, and I have been trying to keep it true based on interviews, magazine links, and other media (like movies and TV programs) where the artist has appeared and spoken. I will continue to do so. Also, I will begin editing some of the articles referenced and linked from the Elis Paprika main article.  Again, thank you for your time, and if you find a bit of time to edit some parts yourself, I will appreciate that! Cachizalo (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I have begun revising the article in detail, and I have begun adding some verifiable sources to the original Elis Paprika article that were not there before, also updating a sources that had been marked as a dead link (changing it for a new and verifiable source). Thank you all for your time and consideration on our work for this article in efforts to keeping it in wikipedia.Cachizalo (talk) 01:03, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

I began rewriting the article, deleting Promotional statements from the original article, and changed some to neutral language to give it an impartial tone and a neutral point of view. I have also added a few more verifiable sources to events stated in the article.Cachizalo (talk) 01:37, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Continued work editing the article, eliminating promotional and partial language. Cachizalo (talk) 02:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Made more changes to the article today. Eliminated more promotional language I found, and added verifiable sources to events and people mentioned in the article. Cachizalo (talk) 19:09, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Procedural Keep The nominator is not arguing that this person is not notable but instead is criticizing the quality of the article. We do not delete articles about notable topics for quality control reasons. Instead, we improve those articles. AfD is not for article cleanup. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:34, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Heh, I was just coming back to withdraw the nomination since Cachizalo and I were the only participants but too late now. I've extensively tagged the article with the problems I see with it. I'm unclear if the person is notable. A glance at news sources showed numerous hits but without looking in detail at them I don't know if they are just performance listings where Elis Paprika is named without more details. All in all, I think I mishandled this by going to AfD. It was poor judgment on my part. Mea culpa. Cheers, Mark Ironie (talk) 19:29, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


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