Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elisabeth Waters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Barely (if that) notable subject requesting deletion is allowed under BIODELETE Spartaz Humbug! 07:13, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Elisabeth Waters

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notability Elisabeth97865 (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I am the article subject, I regard myself as a non-notable, private person, and I want the article to be deleted. Elisabeth97865 (talk) 19:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment The article has been here since 2007 and doesn’t contain anything that isn’t already public. Mccapra (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - looks like WP:BIODEL applies. Tacyarg (talk) 21:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment A private individual with a public blog about her books and writing? The first time I clicked on the "Official website" link at http://www.elisabethwaters.com/ I got a dead link, but trying again it redirects to https://waters01.blogspot.com/p/elisabeth-waters.html . One of the earlier versions of her website in the internet archive (Feb 2005) states "After MZB's death, Elisabeth finished assembling the anthologies SWORD & SORCERESS 18-20, then retired to a convent." All a bit odd. According to the Marion Zimmer Bradley article Bradley, Waters and Diana L. Paxson founded the Center for Non-Traditional Religion which has now become The Fellowship of the Spiral Path (whose website refers to a "History" section which doesn't seem to exist!) No apparent reason to delete the article. Pam  D  09:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also referred to as Lisa Waters in various places online. Complicated. Pam  D  09:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete nothing suggests she is notable. Having reviewed lots and lots of articles created in 2007, our creation and inclusion criteria were not being applied then. Wikipedia has never had enough oversight to suggest we should have a grandfather caluse for old articles, that would actually just make systemic bias worse, I see no reason to keep this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:40, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Doesn't appear to meet WP:AUTHOR, and WP:BIODEL applies for this case.  Risker (talk) 02:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, wish some "delete" voters at afds did a bit more than apparent superficial digging for sources, a good place to start for scifi/fantasy writers is ISFDB, Waters' entry is here, showing that she is a prolific author/editor, clicking on her first novel, Changing Fate brings up this, showing that it was nominated for the 1995 Locus Award for Best First Novel (here is a nomination listing, and reviewed in Locus (mag contents here), and Starlog (mag contents here) so technically meeting WP:NBOOK(?); also, a couple of books she edited have Publishers Weekly reviews: here and here, i do concede, though, that more is probably needed. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:55, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep * I believe that she perfectly meets the WP:AUTHOR criteria and the article is pragmatic. Nevertheless, if she prefers to be deleted shouldn't we consider it? Innovamus (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)


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