Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elise Harris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 08:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Elise Harris

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Apparently fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT. Refs largely from agencies, promotional sites, listings or minor mentions. Doddy Wuid (talk) 13:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Lots of minor mentions, but ultimately no notability VASterling (talk) 20:01, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:23, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Maintain I've been a fan of Elise Harris's YouTube channel for over a year now. She has uploaded almost 400 videos and has had over 4 million views since 2006. Her most popular video accounts for 1 million of those views. On YouTube, she is ranked the 51st most popular comedian of all time. AlexPlante (talk) 01:31, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Maintain Elise Harris does exist as a comedian. She has and still does appear at The Ship, 68 Borough Road, Southwark, London, She has appeared at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival and did so this year with Alex Marion and Paco Erhard as the comic trio, The Bald and the Beautiful . A talented comedian and film maker, she has posted over 350 videos on YouTube and as can be seen on the YouTube site, has had in excess of a million hits.  She has also filmed, edited and performed in the film Vestal Virgin and was winner of Best Actor award at the Super Shorts Film Festival. The film was also the official choice of the 2007 Paris Film Festival. Elise also has an entry on the Internet Movie Database listing the four films she has starred in.  To delete Elise Harris from Wikipedia would deprive the human race knowledge of a very funny and talented lady.  Citled (talk) 09:30, 6th October 2010 (BST)  —Preceding undated comment added 08:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Maintain I am disappointed to see the entry for this artist marked for possible deletion; I simply see nothing in the deletion proposal worthy of support. In almost two years of enjoyment of Elise Harris's many gently humorous YouTube videos (the statistics cited by other maintainers are pertinent and more than adequately answer the 'Refs largely from agencies, promotional sites, listings or minor mentions' charge), any suggestion that she is not a significant presence, both on-line and in person at her many live performances, in the field of British comedy is not only wrong but, frankly, rather disparaging of an unusual, witty and very amusing artist. I do not view her Wiki entry as merely a resume (I am sure she will have done a far better job with her actual one). Four million on-line views, alone, surely marks this artist out as worthy for inclusion here in Wikipedia. RickyBee (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)]] — RickyBee (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Please address the policies in question, WP:GNG and WP:ENT. It is not the veracity or otherwise of the statements in the article and those above which are being addressed here. "Depriv(ation to) the human race (of) knowledge" or inclusion of it in Wikipedia is dependent on its notability, as laid out in these policies. Citations demonstrating significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject are not, as yet, evident. Mention in a listing is not independent and proof of appearance does not establish notability. There are many artists appearing in comedy clubs. Probably the majority of British actors and comedians have appeared in one capacity or other in Edinburgh as the Festival(s) and the Fringe constitute the biggest annual arts event on the planet: some sold out the Assembly Rooms, some held a spear in a school hall. Many films are shown at festivals of all statures (defunct now being that of the former Paris Film Festival). YouTube stats don't themselves establish notability either. But sig. coverage etc. of any of these would. Doddy Wuid (talk) 21:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * To new editors The word here is Keep, not Maintain. It is also not a good idea to use new identities to bolster your side, just in case anyone gets that idea..... This can be, and often is, checked out and can lead to blocking from editing if found to be the case. Also, the question of Elise's existence is unlikely to be the point of this discussion. Her notability is, and I would advise you to read at least WP:GNG and WP:RS before declaring your undying fandom. Peridon (talk) 21:59, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Delete I can't see anything of particular note here, and agree with the nominator about the refs. Peridon (talk) 09:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "To delete Elise Harris from Wikipedia would deprive the human race knowledge of a very funny and talented lady" - Wikipedia is not here for promotion. If the human race (or at least the part of it that write the sources we consider reliable and not trivial) hasn't heard of her already, then she doesn't yet fit our rules. These may be seen as quirky, unfair, or whatever, but they are there. They are the rules of the site. Peridon (talk) 09:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete. 'Up and coming' comedian, but not there yet in terms of inclusion in an encyclopedia.--Michig (talk) 13:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:N and WP:V, and agree that the "maintain" votes above strongly suggest this is a severely misguided promotion attempt. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  14:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 *  Keep  per WP:N and WP:V. References #5, #6, #15 satisfy the following criteria: 1) They address the subject directly in detail, so no original research was needed to extract the content; 2) They encompass published works; 3) They are multiple secondary sources, independent of the subject;  Also per WP:N "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or popularity".  Also please refrain from insinuating that those who voted "Maintain" after me are really myself using multiple identities.  I did not know the correct term, and evidently those who followed me just re-used the same term.  It should not be surprising that at least 3 out of her thousands of followers on YouTube and Twitter would comment here.AlexPlante (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Strikethrough because user has already !voted 'Maintain' - additional posts are 'Comment' or something like that. There's a lot to learn here... My comment about multiple !voting was to head off the possibility. We get a lot of sockpuppetry in AfD, and sometimes fan clubs who don't bother to read the policies at all. And we get worse than that.... Peridon (talk) 20:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Reference #5 does not address the subject in any detail - the article isn't about her, #6 is bordering on local newspaper coverage but is about the only one that comes close to being adequate, #15 is not a reliable source.--Michig (talk) 18:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - Article lacks attribution to verify WP:BIO or WP:BLP notability criteria … notwithstanding the subject's apparent fanboy popularity, YouTube videos and IMDb links do not WP:RS make. Happy Editing! &mdash;  20:26, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.