Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elise Sutton


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The result was   delete. It's still unclear to me why a redirect to Lulu (company), a book-on-demand company whose article does not mention Sutton, would make any sense as a redirect, but feel free to create one.  Sandstein  19:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Elise Sutton

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Dom web-site operator. Claims to have published two books, but they're both from a vanity press. Much promotional detail, no reliable sources, and a quick spin through Google only pulls in a large number of very low-quality hits. CalendarWatcher (talk) 21:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * delete no notability, no reliable secondary sources, it's advertising for this dom. God bless her, but doesn't meet any criteria for an article.Bali ultimate (talk) 03:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Delete this advertisement with extreme prejudice ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong delete, pure vanity piece. Two self-published books (and no sources whatsoever) does not equate to notability. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 14:05, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I doubt this is a promotional article. A variety of disinterested editors have worked on the page since 2005, and she appears to be quite famous in certain circles.  Likely the article is based on primary sources because almost all the critiques found in an internet search are blogs, and would have been removed per RS.  Finding non-primary sources and non-blog critiques of her books remains a problem. Squidfryerchef (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Lulu (company). I found some sources which mention her, especially with regards to the publisher, Lulu.  It's still a weak claim to notability, but material could be used by the regular editors of the Lulu article to make a paragraph about their most popular titles, and this article could be spun out again if more sources are found.  Heres a few I found buried under all the blogs:
 * Linux.com "A new venue for selling open source software" Nov 18, 2004  Article about Lulu, says "Female Domination" was best-selling title at the time.  Rationale for merging to Lulu article.
 * Think Magazine. Very brief book review in Czech entertainment magazine, both online and print.
 * Who is Elise Sutton and why does it matter? ( NSFW; some mature content ) Article in blog of sex therapist and BDSM author Gloria Brame.  This won't establish notability, but should pass selfpub by expert and could be used in as one of the refs in an improved article.  I'm not sure all the BLP sourcing requirements come into play because "Elise Sutton" appears to be a carefully guarded pseudonym.
 * Google Books shows something called "Worshipping Your Wife" that mentions her ideas, plus an Italian book on female domination, and a brief mention in a Spanish book called "Entretiempo" which I can't figure out but which seems more about literature and culture in general. Squidfryerchef (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


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