Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliska Sursova


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The result was   delete. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 16:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Eliska Sursova

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Non-notable actress. I had originally put a db-bio tag on it, but it's been here for about two years with a lot of edits. Still, nothing but bit parts, no other notability. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 22:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete She has multiple names: you must also search for "eliska Amor". I found two sources about "Eliska Sursova":, .  Eliska amor has a handful of sources: .  Verifiable?  Yes.  But I still say delete because the sources I found are not of the highest quality, they tend to be sources that are trying to promote the industry, not real news sources.   Cazort (talk) 23:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Her imdb entry, showing multiple names, shows no notability. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 22:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - sources confusing and do not appear to be reliable. See also Elissa Sursara which brings more doubt to the Eliska Sursova article. Which is the "real" person? Listed at WP:BLPN yesterday for comment.  florrie  02:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * They are clearly the same person. Can we get a deletion discussion going on that one and discuss them together?  I would like to give people the opportunity to consider both articles at once and argue for a merge/keep, even though I would personally argue for a delete of both.  Cazort (talk) 13:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea - does this discussion need to be closed and reopened with both articles? Or can Elissa Sursara simply be attached to this and then listed at WP:AUSDEL?  florrie  20:23, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think this discussion here can count as a "merge discussion" and one of us can boldly merge the page as a duplicate, and then we can just discuss here? Does that work?  Cazort (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that a merge would be the best move as, as far as I can tell, it is only a suspicion that the two are the same person (or non-person). One is born in Australia, the other in the US. Unfortunately, no advice has been offered at WP:BLPN. florrie  05:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh ok I didn't check to find those discrepancies. Cazort (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - seems a little borderline because both (?) actresses appear to have active careers on the rise, but they do not yet appear to have had significant roles in the parts they've played, so I do not think they pass the notability test yet.
 * It is not at all clear to me that they are the same person. The IMDB entries are very confusing.  The actresses have very similar names and are listed as having the same birthday, but are described with very different backgrounds (one New York native attending Brown University, one Australian native attending Yale).  They are each credited with roles on Taken, Boston Public, Touched By an Angel and American Gothic -- but on different episodes and playing different parts.  I think it is very possible that it is an unusual coincidence of two different actors, and also that it is possible that the IMDB contributors have been confused by the similar names and mixed up the backgrounds. Tim Pierce (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a really good point, they could have just been confused. IMDB is not a very reliable source in cases like this.  Cazort (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Whether confused or not, I spent a good deal of the afternoon trying to find anything reliable on Elissa Sursora and came up empty handed except for contributor sites such as blogs and insubstantial "model directories". Nothing at all on google news and only the same handful of pics repeated over and over. Reams on who she supposedly dated (including Heath Ledger) - but never actually did! So to me, even if Sursara and Sursova are the same person, and whether or not they are real or a hoax, there's simply no reliable sources to support notability.  florrie  16:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC) PS: I even ran Sursara through the Australian white pages. Not a sausage.  florrie  16:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


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