Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elite (song)


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The result was   merge to White Pony. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:37, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Elite (song)

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My notability tag has been disputed a few times now, so I guess I'll take my issues here. While the song does pass WP:NSONG criteria #2 for winning a Grammy, it seems to suffer from WP:PERMASTUB. As WP:NSONG notes, "Notability aside, a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album." Since the song wasn't released as a single, nor was it promoted in anyway, I don't believe the article could grow much beyond what it is now. Fezmar9 (talk) 00:43, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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 * Merge It's a weird case because despite winning a Grammy it was never released as a single. Hence sources will be album reviews. A merge/redirect to White Pony is called for by WP:NSONG unless anyone can find better sources. (As an aside, a lot of things win Grammies every year due to their numerous categories, but not all of them really get much mainstream press, so even if it's a well-known artist, winning a genre Grammy is not itself a guarantee of notability - NSONG says it's only an indicator not a guarantee.) --Colapeninsula (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Merge - The fact that it won a Grammy does mean it has been noted by peers. I'd say that the song is indeed notable.  But in this case, winning a Grammy didn't really generate the sort of coverage for the song that would provide is the material to flesh out the article so a merge is more appropriate. -- Whpq (talk) 17:32, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge -- Notable due to Grammy but not enough coverage for a stand alone article. Merge with White Pony album.-- — Keithbob • Talk  • 20:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
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