Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elite Guard


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Feel free to re-nominate. SarahStierch (talk) 03:59, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Elite Guard

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Non-notable collection of various toys. No independent reliable sources establish the notability of this compilation or any of its sub-compilations. No independent reliable sources discuss the concept from the out-of-universe perspective expected when writing about fiction. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 19:23, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2013 December 1.  — cyberbot I  Notify Online 19:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:11, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Notability = None — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeusImperator (talk • contribs) 21:11, 1 December 2013


 * Keep appropriate list by WP:L. --Crazy runner (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 01:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * It's very plausible that someone would type "Elite guard" into the searchbox, but if they do are they looking for a line of toys? We need to think of the solution that helps encyclopaedia users.  I think that's rename this list to Elite Guard (transformers), redirect Elite Guard to Elite (disambiguation), and add a hatnote to Elite (disambiguation) pointing to Elite Guard (transformers).— S Marshall  T/C 17:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I've supported the merging of several Transformers articles before, on the basis of there not being enough real world information, it seems to me that lists of fictional characters are usually comprised of mostly in-universe information. Has a Manual of Style ever been written for these kinds of articles, or do any guidelines/policies specify what the expectations are for them? Even if the lack of real world information isn't a problem here, it might be better to merge this article into a larger list of Transformers characters. I'm not familiar with the series, but many of the characters listed here do seem to be listed at List of Autobots as well, and I assume (though can't say for sure) that those characters listed here that aren't Autobots can be found in some other list of Transformers characters. Are there any experienced editors with a knowledge of the series who could explain whether the Elite Guard is notable enough to have its own separate list?


 * As for the references, I haven't taken the time to discern the reliability of each one, but comicbookrevolution.net (currently ref. #7) seems more or less acceptable; it started out as a blog, but has apparently evolved into a professional website over the years. Botcon.com (currently ref. #10) looks like it's probably okay as well, though I can't tell whether it would be an independent or primary source. --Jpcase (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Update: I just realized that this isn't actually classified as a list, but still, it's pretty clear that it should be. So I still stand by what I said about the possibility of this article not needing much real world information. --Jpcase (talk) 20:46, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Suggestion: If this article isn't deleted (which I really don't think is necessary, since at the very least, we could merge it into some larger list of Transformers characters), then I would suggest that a few things be done for cleanup. The lead needs to be expanded so as to provide an explanation of what role the Elite Guard actually plays within the series; the "Toys" sub-section under the "Transformers: Generation 1" section should be removed, and instead information about each character's toys should be incorporated into their own respective sections; a date should be provided for when each character was first introduced to the series (If there are separate dates for when the first toy of the character was released and for when the character was first incorporated into the television series/comic book series, than both dates should be provided) and a full listing should be provided for all the different television series, comics book series, and films that each character has appeared in. Of course, more improvements should certainly be made, but I think that addressing these points would at least help the article be more accessible and relevant from an out-of-universe persepctive. --Jpcase (talk) 23:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 21:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.