Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Delete. Discounting an influx of "very new users" there is a clear consensus below to delete as non-notable. Any future article should be written from scratch as there are copyvios in the deleted history. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:07, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Eliz

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO criteria and the award section is a hoax as she isn't included in the 2010 IMA winners. If the article gets deleted, someone should also delete her photo. — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:17, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Primarily because, due to her Oname, it would be very time consuming to sort through google news results to show that there are no sources to prove notability. If nominator confirms that he has sorted through all relevant search results and has not found any mentions, then please count this as a delete. BelloWello (talk) 08:30, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The award is probably a hoax as she's not listed as an IMA winner and there is no media coverage indicating notability.-- [[User:ZjarriRrethues| '— Zja

rriRrethues —' ]] talk 08:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep- All awards have properly been sited and referenced. Minor misunderstanding.

"Sited Video"- YouTube video link can confirm that she is the winner of the Best New Artist of the Year 2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbWiefOo6lw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.242 (talk) 08:36, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The link doesn't confirm the award and she isn't included in the 2010 IMA winners list. Btw are you Elizabeth Camacho or someone related to her?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 08:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I am the publicist for Elizabeth Camacho represented by "ERI Records" and there is no relation. I have done research on the following artist. There are documented records that prove Eliz has won the award in Fayetteville, NC. This was a "local" event. This is NOT associated with "http://www.independentmusicawards.com/". This event is for this link "http://independentartistmusicawards.com/". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.242 (talk) 08:56, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The article links to the actual IMA and that gives the false impression that she's an IMA winner. Local awards don't indicate notability. Has she given any interviews to national media etc. ?-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 09:01, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Please review National Media Interview Links for Eliz Camacho winning Best New Artist of the Year 2010: http://www.disarraymagazine.com/2010/12/artist-spotlight-interview-with- popr.html http://people.famouswhy.com/elizabeth_marie_camacho/ http://skopemag.com/2011/03/01/its-safe-to-say-eliz-camacho-got-it-going-on http://www.shegotnext.com/eliz_camacho.php http://blockstarzmusic.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1297160321&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1& http://fayettevillenc.backpage.com/PlugBand/x-pozsed-introduced-to-you-eliz-unsigned-super-star/4788132 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.242 (talk) 09:07, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Eliz Camacho is also credited with winning "Musician of the Year 2010" on CHASEMEBABY.com (please see link) http://chasemebaby.com/thethrill/?p=20831 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.242 (talk) 09:17, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment - if it weren't for the claim of an award, I would have speedied this. Needs further investigation. Deb (talk) 09:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, I've changed my mind. Delete - these awards are clearly not notable. Deb (talk) 09:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible to just remove the "IMA Award" section until proven accurate? Other awards are notable. This website is not update but she has the same award that is given out. http://independentartistmusicawards.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.242 (talk) 09:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That would leave no evidence of notability whatsoever. But while you're at it, could you maybe do something about the grammar and spelling?  The quality of the article is extremely poor as it stands. Deb (talk) 10:24, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Grammar changes to the Eliz Camacho page have been corrected. If there are any more corrections needed, please feel free to make any necessary adjustments. Thank You —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.134 (talk) 10:47, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Sourcing seems adequate and includes reliable and notable links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.146 (talk) 19:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Although IMA award is not listed (due to lack of updated webiste), Google searching "Eliz Camacho Independent Artist Music Award" shows accurate references and interviews from public online media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhooks27 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - The Eliz Camacho biography will gradually evolve as she becomes more visual in the media. Let's clean it up and let time pass. The biography WILL evolve. There is no need to delete this only to add more to the biography as she makes more appearances and her buzz is heavy in the entertainment industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.140 (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment- This is likely a case of WP:TOOSOON, despite the spate of support from the above obviously close-proximity IPs. I've removed the irrelevant college acceptance and what I identified as promotional material; I've reworked the rest, but it is as yet unreferenced, as my search yielded nothing. I'll go through the included linkfarm of references later to see if they support enough of the material to establish WP:N or WP:GNG. Dru of Id (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete- As copvio of this 'included' reference, unless my retooling has moved it far enough beyond that. Dru of Id (talk) 14:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Further Comment- Actually, there doesn't seem to be a single section that isn't a copyvio of one linkfarm reference or another, and some duplicate each other. User:208.54.44.242 has voted twice; none of the votes for keep cite a valid policy reason to do so, let alone cite/meet those for speedy keep. Dru of Id (talk) 22:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Comment- Sounds like there an "issue'' with exact grammar usage. This issue has already been settled with proper alterations of the article.

Comment - The fact that the IP's are in close-proximity could be due to numerous reasons. Wikipedia does quote "All input is welcome." It could be that Eliz's popularity is expanding in her area and by searching the name "eliz camacho" the article is located in the google search which allows anyone to give input. This is irrelevant to the deletion of this article. Thank You
 * Numerous reasons for matching first three prefixes of (now 5 IPs with) 208.54.44.... 1) involved parties with conflict of interest 2) dynamic internet connection from the same computer 3) same location/building 4) various internet connections around the same/nearby town(s) 5) talked with friends... Which are you claiming? Dru of Id

Comment As I've stated before, Wikipedia quotes "all input is welcome" and to answer your questions, 1). IF there were any kind of conflict of interest in the article, the article would've been deleted on April 24, 2011. 2). The more feedback for the article, the better it is to make necessary decisions. Remember, in order for the article to be furthered there needs to be a valid argument. 3 and 4) Same location/building have nothing to do with an article's furthering as long as there is no conflict of interest. This article could have possibly been written in a public library, airport, or where ever WiFi access is available where these locations use "Shared IP addresses". 5)Talking with friends is a conflict of interest. However, researching information about the artist is interesting. I have stated my case.
 * Speedy Keep - This article has well over enough support and references on the internet. The search for the name "Eliz Camacho" is also very easy to find. However, this article NEEDS to be reworded so that it is not in any form of "plagiarism " from the "FAMOUS WHY" website.  Thank You  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.44.230 (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep - Major alterations to the article's wording need to be made. The article is in complete form of the same wording as the FAMOUS WHY. Please make needed adjustments.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhooks27 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. I have been through the references in the article, and made a fairly broad search using the search links above. I didn't find any mentions in national media or well-known local printed media; the references I found were all minor internet sites. I see she has won an award but the award does not appear to be major, and I don't take this as proof of notability. Couple this with the copyright violation problems highlighted by Dru of Id and deletion seems appropriate to me.  — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 21:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.