Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth A. Okoreeh-Baah (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 00:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth A. Okoreeh-Baah
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This article was kept after an AfD in early 2009. However, most of the comments in that discussion seem to have been variations on 'she's important' as Captain Okoreeh-Baah was the first woman to fly a new type of military aircraft. The sources attesting to this supposed 'notability' are very limited, however, and the views of several editors in a new discussion at WT:MILHIST are that Captain Okoreeh-Baah does not meet the notability criteria and this article violates WP:ONEEVENT. I agree, and am re-nominating this article for deletion.

In regards to the sources, the article currently references:
 * What's claimed to be a story in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. The URL actually points towards a United States Marine Corps website (which won't load for me) and from the title of the story it appears to be about the unit Captain Okoreeh-Baah was a member of, and not her, and so is unlikely to provide in-depth coverage even if this is actually an article from a newspaper independent of the military.
 * A page in the book We are Marines!. According to its Google Books page, this work was published by the 'Tar Heel Chapter, NC-1, Women Marines Association'. With all respect to the members of this association, they are obviously not a professional publisher of any sort, so this isn't a reliable source.
 * An article on the US military's DVIDS public relations website. This obviously isn't an independent source, and so isn't useful in establishing notability.
 * An article in the Marine Corps News - this suffers from the same problems as the DVIDS article
 * An article in the Stanford Social Innovation Review. While this sounds very promising, the article is actually only 3/4 of a page long, and is actually focused on research into the job satisfaction of women in the US military. Captain Okoreeh-Baah is covered in only three paragraphs of this article and a photograph; one of these paragraphs briefly describes her military career and the other two are quotes about her views on the equality of women in the military. Hence, only a paragraph of the article is actually directly useful for writing a biography on Captain Okoreeh-Baah and it's not at all helpful in establishing notability.

The only results of a Google search on 'Elizabeth A. Okoreeh-Baah' are Wikipedia mirrors, old military PR stories about her becoming the first woman to fly a V-22, and short various mentions of her on various websites. As such, it's clear to me that this article violates WP:ONEEVENT and Captain Okoreeh-Baah should not have an article on her. In regards to the previous AfD nomination, I'd also observe that we've taken a much stronger position on BLPs since early 2009 (particularly in relation to strengthening the weight given towards protecting individuals privacy). Nick-D (talk) 22:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Nick-D (talk) 22:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Nick-D (talk) 23:14, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - being the first woman to fly with the Marines is notable. Being the first African-American woman to fly with the Marines is notable. Being the first African-American woman to fly a specific type of aircraft with the Marines five years after the second event mentioned above is not notable. She should be admired and her commitment to her country is commendable, but Wikinotable, for better or for worse, she is not. Fails WP:BLP1E for the person, and WP:PERSISTENCE for the event. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:56, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment It sucks there aren't more WP:RS because this is an interesting person. The three sources I am able to access fall a bit short of WP:GNG I think, specifically "detail" and "reliable". LoveUxoxo (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Found another source, http://www.blackanthem.com/scitech/military_2006032204.html but again military and not much I can think of adding to the article. Too bad. On a side note, where are all the Keep !votes from the 1st AfD nomination? That was practically a SNOW keeep, while this is the opposite (and again, I agree that deletion at this point seems appropriate). AfD is totally random. LoveUxoxo (talk) 18:44, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete - subject appears to lack "significant coverage" in reliable sources and is therefore likely not notable under WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 06:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete BLP1E. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete no sign of notability. MilborneOne (talk) 11:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails notability and is of minor interest Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No evidence of notability.ALR (talk) 15:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete the sources do not establish notability per the requirements of GNG. That nothing more has been added on her career in the last two years implies this was a single event. GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not enough notability for a page. Vincelord (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.