Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Ann Whitney


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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 23:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Elizabeth Ann Whitney

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Her husband is perhaps notable, but I do not see how she is. No third party published sources of any sort, and in fact no secondary sources at all, just her autobiography and her papers in an archive.  DGG ( talk ) 20:52, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Whitney was the second counselor in two different Relief Society presidencies. The Women of Character reference is a secondary reference, and I added another (the book In Their Own Words). Would you consider these two sources enough to establish notability? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There was a chapter on Whitney in Women of Faith vol. 1, and I added some information from that book as well. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I also added a line about how a residence hall at BYU was named after her. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:41, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * undecided I created this article 12 years ago, but I'm on the fence about whether or not she meets the current standard of notability. The Woman of Character book might not be enough, because she is apparently just one of 100 featured Mormon women. I don't have access to In Their Own Words, but from its description on Amazon, it seems that the book uses statements by at least 10 women, including Whitney, as primary source material to convey a female perspective on the story of Mormons in Nauvoo. So the book doesn't necessarily establish Whitney's notability in her own right. It seems like the author is mainly interested in what she has to say about an otherwise male-centric story. We need more articles featuring women, so I dislike the idea of merging this material into her husband's article unless we have to, but we're fighting against the hard reality that women like Whitney are from highly patriarchal cultures where they, and their contributions, have tended to fade into the background of male stories. CO GDEN  22:09, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 04:53, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Whitney was one of the initial leaders of the Relief Society. There are enough secondary sources to establish her notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- I do not normally vote on LDS matters, but observe that several other founders of the Relief Society have articles; accordingly so should she. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:42, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


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