Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Lambert (soccer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   '''early delete per BLP1E, defamatory article of living person. None of the keep votes are based in policy'''. Tan  &#124;   39  15:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Elizabeth Lambert (soccer)

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A college soccer player known for only one thing: blatant fouls during a recent game on November 5, 2009, which were shown on TV on ESPN. She was suspended from the team on November 6 by her school. The biographical article was thereafter created November 8. Fails WP:BIO1E and fails WP:ATHLETE. Edison (talk) 21:56, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Information is information, and I came here looking for information on this Elizabeth Lambert.
 * Delete per WP:BLP; articles should not be created to disparage relatively unknown people. Andrea105 (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can think of many articles about a normal person who did one bad thing. In addition, Elizabeth Lambert is an internet sensation, just like Star Wars kid. She's a legend of bad sportsmanship and is all over the news and internet because of it. If "Evolution of Dance" guy and Numa Numa deserve their own articles, Elizabeth does too. PÆonU (talk) 10:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This article does deserves attention and she already has become a household name. Robert Moore (talk) 20:27 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Single event per BLP rules. No notability otherwise, hence ought to be deleted without any controversy. Collect (talk) 12:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Every viral video star with a Wiki article has only made one viral video... How is she different? I feel you're being impartial because she's one of the most awful people in the history of soccer. It's hard to say that we should let that poor excuse of an athlete get an article, but she deserves it, like any other internet sensation. I've seen her on CNN as well. She has reached the masses. Are you from a small city of mutes? Because she's all I here about from both the news and other people. PÆonU (talk) 14:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I don't think this person will remain low profile after this event to qualify for WP:BLP1E. She'll always be remembered for this series of fouls. Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, this isn't the Zidane headbutt incident: she's a great example of WP:BLP1E. Nyttend (talk) 18:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Don't see notability for anything but her actions in this one game. Seems like classic WP:BLP1E to me. Papaursa (talk) 19:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - If this is up for deletion, every internet meme should be too. Laylaholic (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment According to Wikipedia BLP policy--"If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a particular event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, low profile, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted." It seems to me that her 15 minutes of fame will subside and, unless she does something notable, she will remain low profile.  In some ways she's already low profile, a lot of people saw her on TV, but most couldn't name her.  Some of the newscasts I saw didn't even name her, they just showed some video.  Two other things I would point out--according to Wikipedia, "notability is not temporary" and WP:OTHERSTUFF. Papaursa (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Contrary to User:Robert Moore above, I do not think she is a household name. It does seem that this article currently falls under WP:BLP1E.  However, if coverage persists, I think an article would be warranted.  JEN9841 (talk) 00:13, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The keep argument by Laylaholic amounts to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. So go and nominate other "memes" for AFD. That is not a valid reason to keep this one. Edison (talk) 02:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not notable. Simple decision.70.208.215.236 (talk)
 * Comment Ooh! Far worse violence than this at a HIGH SCHOOL girls' soccer game! Another Highly Encyclopedic Article needed? Edison (talk) 04:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BLP; articles should not be created to disparage relatively unknown people.
 * WITH COMMENT: This person is only noteworthy for a series of rash actions in a college soccer game. Unless enormous good fortune should come her way as a result of this, she is only going to be forgotten after her 15 minutes of fame are over.  Also, this would set a precedent for inclusion of everyone who is mentioned in a news source IE: every college kid, high school sportsperson and even grandma for her cookie recipe. Chris Hawk (talk) 04:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - not notable, lack of reliable third party sources. -Reconsider the static (talk) 05:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Don't forget, all Wikipedia articles start out rough. This article should be given the chance to be improved. I'll start working on improving it immediately. Give the editors a bit of time, as a good article doesn't happen in two hours. PÆonU (talk) 08:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Another Comment I just looked at the page's history. It's only a few days old. This article deserves a chance, like all other articles did when they were first started. PÆonU (talk) 08:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Committing a few fouls in a college soccer game and getting suspended from your college soccer team because of it is not enough to confer encyclopedic notability. Zaxem (talk) 10:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-notable soccer player who fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. If people think she should be kept purely because of one violent on-pitch incident, then they clearly haven't played soccer with my friends - I could make them into a FA! GiantSnowman 12:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly fails WP:BIO1E and WP:ATHLETE. Btw, article currently provides no reliable sources even for notability of that single event.--Staberinde (talk) 13:21, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - article fails WP:BIO1E as all coverage in WP:RS appears to relate to the hair-pulling incident. Jogurney (talk) 13:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Defmatory bio of a nn living person. Speedy as attack page. Hipocrite (talk) 13:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete This definately fails BLP1E. There is no reason to have this on WP for something that will be forgotten in a week. Angryapathy (talk) 14:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment And discussing how she is a "viral star" and "will always be remembered" is kind of silly since it has been less than a week. Angryapathy (talk) 14:30, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Textbook example of BLP1E.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:TROUT the keep voters, honestly. This poor girl had the misfortune to have a horrid game in the midst of the internet and ESPN wall-to-wall coverage era.  Media coverage, no matter how saturated, of the events of a 2-hour game do not justify an article.  Fails WP:ATHLETE otherwise. Tarc (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Have any of you guys ever seen the birth of an article? It doesn't start out well, ever. This hasn't had enough time to mature. Deletion is only necessary when an article is beyond repair. This article can be repaired, so unless everyone here wants to lazily delete articles instead of working on them, it doesn't warrant a full deletion. PÆonU (talk) 14:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * From WP:BLP1E - "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a particular event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, low profile, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted." That pretty much says it all here: She is only notable for that event, and there is no evidence that she'll jump back in the spotlight. WP isn't supposed to be the recap of "YouTube's hottest videos of the week!" Angryapathy (talk) 14:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe its just me, but I don't seem to have a crystal ball in my wiki-toolbox. This woman is in the news for the events that happened in a single game and for nothing else; this is textbook WP:BLP1E.  There is simply nothing to add that would not be just another reference to the incident or the subsequent fallout from the incident.  In a few years if she makes the women's national soccer team then that will be sufficient for WP:ATHLETE, and the article can be recreated.  All it can possibly be right now is about ponytail-pulling, kicking, and forearm shivers. Tarc (talk) 14:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Sources are available to write something, but this is a perfect application of WP:BLP1E. No prejudice against revisiting this subject later if she becomes more notable due to e.g., an NCAA championship, a notable pro career, or becomes more of a poster child for sportsmanship in high level sports after the newsy aspect of that particular incident wears off.  Baccyak4H (Yak!) 14:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable except for these actions in one game. Off2riorob (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep It's true and it's of interest to many. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.47.2 (talk) 14:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete obvious case of WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTNEWS. Just because someone got their 15 minutes of fame on teh internets, doesn't mean we should have a biography on them. *** Crotalus *** 14:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - If this isn't covered by WP:BLP1E, I'd like to know what on earth would be. Santa Claus of the Future (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.