Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Tower, Manchester


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 01:25, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Tower, Manchester

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No in depth coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject: the best I can find is a mere-mention describing the future building as a "notable project" but providing no other information and another very similar mere-mention in the Manchester Evening News. Likely just too soon, we can write the article once the project is closer to being finished and there's more coverage. signed,Rosguill talk 00:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  ~Ruyaba~   {talk}  01:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. North America1000 01:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, there's very little information here at the moment and very little independent reliable coverage online. Considering there is a glut of high rise residential building in Manchester, there's no reason to believe the building(s) will be notable enough for a standalone article. Sionk (talk) 04:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep (Author comment), Construction is in progress which clearly shows on the photographs, official website does not contain a lot of information regarding the project but Elizabeth Tower is a significant addition to Manchester's skyline and this article should not be deleted. Construction is in early stages and more information will follow, I will be contacting Renaker to see if we can expect any updates on this project. I invested my time in this article and although I realise there is not a lot of information available, I believe it will change. It does not contain any misleading information therefore it has the right to exist, rather than deleting it we can all improve it. Michaelmazr (talk) 00:45, 14 February 2019 (UTC)Michaelmazr
 * Comment. Merely existing, or being true, is not a reason to have a Wikipedia article. Subjects have to meet notability guidelines too. Sionk (talk) 05:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep, Based on precedent, if we are going to delete this article, then we should be deleting every skyscraper over 100 metres in the UK which is currently under construction? I appreciate reservations given it is 'approved' rather than 'built' but it's a substantial enough tower to warrant its own article. If it placates concerns, I will add more references to the article than the current three that are present. Stevo1000 (talk) 15:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * We judge each building on a case-by-case basis following the critera at WP:NBUILD - height per se is not relevant. A 50 metre residental building in London may be mundane, but a 50 metre block proposed next to Ely Cathedral may be notable and consequently discussed in detail in multiple sources.--Pontificalibus 09:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I prefer that we are proactive in retaining pages by improving them rather than simply deleting them because they "don't meet notability guidelines". That's not what Wikipedia is about personally. Stevo1000 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete The status of existence of a structure or its size isn’t relevant. The lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources is the thing. Too Soon. Trillfendi (talk) 23:24, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete' nothing notworthy about the tower at the moment and a mention in List of tallest buildings and structures in Manchester is suffcient. MilborneOne (talk) 16:05, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete I almost said "hey, haven't you lot heard of WP:BEFORE" but a search for sources throws up lots of false positives because Rochdale town hall (in Greater Manchester) replaced the Elizabeth Tower (which since 2012 has been the official name for what is more commonly called Big Ben) for "the bells" on BBC Radio 4. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


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