Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizaveta Shanaeva


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was moved to draft; also salting to require administrative review before any draft is moved back to mainspace. All keep !votes are from inexperienced editors and likely sockpuppets. bd2412 T 14:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Elizaveta Shanaeva

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Meets neither WP:GNG or WP:NSKATE  Onel 5969  TT me 19:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Independence source : — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoniiieei (talk • contribs) 03:44, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Does meet #7 at Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Notability. Skaters who qualify to the Junior Grand Prix Final can be presumed to have the ability to compete in the free skate at the World Junior Championships (criteria #2 at WP:NSKATE; only 6 teams can qualify to JGPF whereas 20 ice dance teams would compete in the free dance. Articles have been created for skaters at similar points in their skating career (i.e. qualified to JGPF, but have not yet competed at World Junior Championships) without being flagged for deletion; for example, Avonley Nguyen / Vadym Kolesnik and Anna Shcherbakova, Kamila Valieva.

simply meet both WP:GNG or WP:NSKATE. (wrote reasons and news articles below with tagging comment) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joanaones (talk • contribs) 05:57, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep.


 * Strong Keep strike dupe vote. Onel 5969  TT me 01:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
 * comment - neither of the valid keep !votes are based on policy.  Onel 5969  TT me 01:55, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Log/2019 September 22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoniiieei (talk • contribs) 23:15, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * comment(revise after striked) She is Russian ice dance pair of “Elizaveta Shanaeva/Devid Naryzhnyy” (which means they have same ground) and Devid Naryzhnyy’s article was judged to be kept yesterday:


 * Delete or Draftify I think this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. I think this article was created in anticipation of her appearance at a WP:NSKATE event (that should happen sometime in the next ~year).  Draftifying allows preserving the already entered information until the upcoming event (when more articles are expected but not guaranteed).  Rockphed (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Elizaveta Shaneva/Devid Naryzhnyy intervewing with Ted Barton (Notability on  WP:NSKATE-#2 Heads of national and international federations. #3 major national figure skating hall of fame) when they’ve qualified the Finals. (posted on official ISU chanel) https://youtu.be/THGV_kfdAWQ Only 6 winning pair can be interviewed by him and be posted on ‘official ISU chanel’ above  80 ice dance pairs. As a former figurenskater at this point(first half of the season) for likely to search on wikipedia is ‘who qulified for finals and who are them?’ to figureskating fans. Because final is the only the biggest international event of 2 big events beld by ISU. (another one is Junior Championship which will held only 3 months later.)
 * Keep meets WP:GNG

,, over 20 news articles from Sports.ru : (Sports.ru on Russia Wikipedia) Interviewed by Press officer of FigureSkating Federation of Russia and both articles posted on the official page of Federation of Russia, Can be found on google : News from U.S. Figure Skating , News from Archworlds.com
 * comment (updated after additional sources found to support it meets WP:GNG) - Two reliable sources with sufficient depth-of-coverage; News posted on International Skating Union

As rule WP:GNG specifically wroted “Reliable” : as Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media and ‘in any language’, these News are all from googling her name with Russian(Шанаева Елизавета). only brought News having her pictures and their name on the main title of the news to verify “Significant Coverage” and “Reliable”. 1., 2., 3., 4., 5., 6., 7., 8., 9., 10. and there are plenty of video(media) of her competiting only by googling her name. 11. plenty of photo articles published by Getty Images (of her competing and getting on the podium at “international competitions” organized by International Skating Union)

12.Notability clearly says “ Q3: If a sports figure does not meet the criteria specified in a sports-specific notability guideline, does this mean he/she does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards? A3: No, it does not mean this—if the subject meets the general notability guideline, then he/she meets Wikipedia's standards for having an article in Wikipedia, even if he/she does not meet the criteria for the appropriate sports-specific notability guideline. The sports-specific notability guidelines are not intended to set a higher bar for inclusion in Wikipedia: they are meant to provide some buffer time to locate appropriate reliable sources when, based on rules of thumb, it is highly likely that these sources exist.“

13.International Skating Union rulebook’s definition of ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating:The ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating (known as ISU Champions Series from 1995 to 1997) is a series of senior international figure skating competitions organized by the International Skating Union and The junior-level equivalent is the ISU Junior Grand Prix. Note that events such as the Olympic Winter Games and the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating are not ISU Championships however, they do count towards Personal Best scores and World Ranking.(ref:ISU World Standings and Season's World Ranking) So qualifing Junior Grand prix final can be regarded as WP:NSKATE #2.(Skater’s articles created and remain on same reason as : Kamila Valieva, Anastasia Tarakanova,Viktoria Vasilieva,Andrei Mozalev,Daniil Samsonov) — Preceding unsigned, comment added by Joanaones (talk • contribs) 01:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC) User was created the day after this and another related AfD were opened. Almost all of the edits of this user were on those two AfD's. Onel 5969  TT me 11:49, 2 October 2019 (UTC) Hmm... is there any probelm with it? I simply saw on figure skating forum one of russian ice skater’s article is about to be delete because of the lack of the knowledge on FS so I came and which is true. here I came, watched over and added my own opinion. Didnt know wikipedia has this many skater’s article!! and I think it’s really delightful thing as a old figure skating fan😊 Wish my humble opinons can contribute to talented figure skaters who mark their names in this field. thanks to this special ocaasion i think i can contribute other articles too! Guess there is no point to put rage unless you are taking russian ice dancers personally? (I believe not❤️) I simply think there is no reason this article has to be delete and reason is I wrote on there so... If administrator consider my acts as a backfire i feel 100% fine to erase my vote but wish they consider deeply on my comments below.

user:Sunyou31 erased the proposed flag with reasonable explanations.: (Qualification for the Junior Grand Prix Final suggests a level of skill equal to #2 in WP:NSKATE – competing in the free skate at World Junior Championships). But User:onel5969 once again ignored the explanations and put Nominated for deletion “right away”. As Guide to deletion - on “Nomination” said there are like 20ways before considering the nomination. User didnt engaged on previous AFD she flagged but after it got keeped yesterday and I informed her it got keeped so she should not put flag on JGP Final qualifiers (somewhat in harsh words i admit) and she suddenly put her every effort on this AFD. At this moment I won’t mind it got deleted but I wish User:onel5969 reads the Nominated for deletion carefully and do as it says next time. : First do the necessary homework and look for sources yourself, and invite discussion on the talk page by using the notability template, if you are disputing the notability of an article's subject. The fact that you haven't heard of something, or don't personally consider it worthy, are not criteria for deletion. You must look for, and demonstrate that you couldn't find, any independent sources of sufficient depth. See WP:Before. Check the "what links here" link to see how the article is being used within Wikipedia.p Check interwiki links to pages "in other languages" which may provide additional material for translation. Read the article's talk page, which may provide reasons why the article should or should not be deleted. It clearly proved you didnt research in other language, didnt find “what links here” link(because there were almost 10 links of her name), and you didnt find independent sources either. And also ignored “Read the article's talk page, which may provide reasons why the article should or should not be deleted”. I understand your hard working on Wikipedia and i appreciae it but at least you can consider every possibility as the guidline says. I think it’s fine to delete the article. At first I was surprised and feel wrong by there were no problems with plenty of single skaters who has the same base and only the article i’ve invested on Ice dancers got flagged “here” but now I admit it can happen and I feel fine with it.
 * comment I am sorry but User:onel5969 is taking this unreasonably. I admit I got upset and said harsh words at her talk page but this is wrong. First of all I want to ask the user she really read Guide to deletion - on “Nomination” and followed the process? To he honest it wasnt me erased the proposed flag she(or he) marked on Elizaveta Shanaeva. Can check on edit of the article.
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