Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ella Payne


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Redirect to House of Payne. Merge or retarget redirect at editorial discretion. lifebaka++ 15:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Ella Payne

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep I'll add additional references and perhaps expand the article, at the time of creating the article I was inexperienced with Wikipedia therefore reluctant to create an article that followed the guidelines to the letter. The article provides no information regarding the plot but rather the character's relationships with other members of the cast. The external links provide sources for many of these claims however I will add citations to be more specific. UniversalBread (talk) 16:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge like the other characters into Tyler Perry's House of Payne. The section on the characters there needs to be expanded, but I do not think the show is of the same cultural importance as some of the others we've been considering, and may not justify separate articles for even the principal characters. DGG (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If we where to create an additional section for characters on the main article it would certainly be too lengthy compared to other sections. If the deletion of the article is indeed mandatory an additional article for information regarding the fictional characters should be created.


 * Wikipedia guidelines haven't exactly made it clear as to what makes a telivision character "significant" enough to warrant its own article, and really there seems to be a double standard. Characters who appear very rarely such as  Meg have their own article (as well as any other character on that show), which--ironically--offer very little information rather than plot summary.


 * I'm not excusing crappy articles with the existence of multiple other mediocre articles, however this makes it difficult as to distinguish what is required for a character to have their own article. Ella Payne is a key character on the show; if I where to significantly improve the article I doubt a merge would be necessary. UniversalBread (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  23:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete this one, no reliable sources == nothing to merge. Stifle (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete and/or redirect. House of Payne already covers this character, nothing to merge (most of it is series overview and character blood relations). – sgeureka t•c 08:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * the sources seem suitable for it to be a section of a combination article. They meet WP:V for the purpose--primary sources for uncontroverted material like this are accepted. DGG (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.