Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ella Riot


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The result was   keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:46, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Ella Riot

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Appears to be a non-notable band, failing WP:GNG and WP:BAND. All of the sources in the article are either local, or primary, and only one of the external links doesn't fall into that category - but it is also a relatively small circulation paper. The article itself is highly promotional, and there's no evidence of any charting for their albums, they only have one semi-notable band member, and they don't appear to have been signed to any major label. There are a few unreliable sources on Google, but that's about it. Luke no 94 (tell Luke off here) 08:19, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Sir  Rcsprinter,  Bt  (gab)  @ 08:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Michigan-related deletion discussions. Sir  Rcsprinter,  Bt  (articulate)  @ 08:58, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The band is mentioned on the All Music Guide:

http://www.allmusic.com/album/love-child-mw0002198166

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/my-dear-disco-mn0002079551 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.65.102.46 (talk) 12:39, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Their last album was also reviewed by the AMG.
 * AllMusic review pretty much everything, so it isn't really indicative of notability. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 13:06, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't, and yes, it is. 86.42.94.218 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Besides, it's still one non-local source, so more are required for GNG being met. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 08:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep A.V. Club, Toledo Blade (circulation 120,000–140,000) , AllMusic , PopMatters , supplemented by numerous good local sources. 86.42.94.218 (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Toledo Blade is a local source, as to whether the others (ignoring AllMusic, which is reliable, but then they review most albums) are reliable, I'll leave that to others. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 14:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You've packed a lot of vague, unclear & unsupported thinking into such a short comment there. The Blade is a reliable source with a large circulation: its article is clearly a valid indication of notability. Do you share that view or not? At AllMusic they either review or don't "based on factors such as current popularity, historical or artistic importance, and the needs of [their] data licensees" . The idea that they cover "most" albums presumably came to you in a dream ; since you accept AllMusic as a source in any case, don't waste our time seeking to undermine it with unsupported impressions. Are you unequipped to evaluate (as i did) the reliability of the other sources, or just busy post-nomination? I encourage you to be more focussed and to seek evidence to support or inform your views. This kind of critical thinking is essential for any encyclopedist. 86.42.94.218 (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Toledo is in Michigan. The band is from Michigan. It may be a "bigger" local paper, but it's still a local paper. My AllMusic comment is based on comments by other editors in the past, and my own experiences. Quoting what they say about their reviews process doesn't help anyone - I could write down any old waffle as my "process". And what the hell is with the rest of your comment? I have over 5000 edits, so I have some idea of guidelines. That said, you have picked out the list of music RS I was looking for, but was looking for in the wrong place, so thank you. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 07:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * You seem to accept all the sources, so the concerns expressed in your nom are allayed.86.42.94.218 (talk) 11:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Toledo hasn't been in Michigan since the Toledo War in 1835! Rmhermen (talk) 04:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was confused by the fact that there is a wikilink for Toledo in Michigan. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 06:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Any particular reason why you're not withdrawing the nom? 86.42.90.239 (talk) 17:31, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Two reasons. One is your badgering, of which the above is an example. Two, I'm waiting for other editors to give their opinions, one way or another. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 18:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if you feel badgered. I was genuinely unclear why an editor would accept notability and leave the nom open. If you want people to triple-check our work that's fine. I appreciate your continued engagement with the afd post-nom. 86.42.90.239 (talk) 12:44, 1 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L Faraone  01:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep The A.V. Club is without doubt a reliable source, and with the other coverage surfaced by the IP above I think this squeaks past WP:GNG. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  01:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, reading through the rather strange discussion above, this should really be speedily kept. The nominator essentially cedes that their concerns have been met ("you have picked out the list of music RS I was looking for"), and the IP supplied a pretty substantial amount of sourcing, all of which is clearly reliable. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  01:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
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