Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ella Stevens (racing driver)


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The result was delete. Tone 09:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ella Stevens (racing driver)

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Possibly-promotional WP:BLP of a child racing driver who apparently has a good publicist but no current claim to long-term significance. At present this article seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON and WP:NOTNEWS. While the sourcing here suggests the subject may pass the WP:GNG, I believe that Articles for deletion/Ugo Ugochukwu, Articles for deletion/Ugo Ugochukwu (2nd nomination), Articles for deletion/Alex Powell, and Articles for deletion/Andrea Kimi Antonelli all demonstrate a precedent to delete articles of this type. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete – Per nominator's rationale. The subject does not just lack a claim to long-term significance, but indeed lacks any claim to significance at all. The coverage does not exist to justify an article. 5225C (talk &bull; contributions) 09:03, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Will look into this later, but deleting Andrea Kimi Antonelli was a mistake. He gained a lot of decent coverage in reliable sources:, , , (and another at ), , , ,  (and  as well),  (and  from the same source is paywalled, but seems to be an in-depth coverage of him and Gabriele Mini). Meets WP:GNG, noted for his great karting achievements + early signing with Mercedes. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. And completely agree with the comment above—Antonelli's article was correctly deleted in February 2021 for the same reason Stevens' should be, he was still in karting. But the G4 tag and subsequent deletion in November 2021 were a grave mistake. MSport1005 (talk) 15:27, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I was referencing the outcome of that deletion discussion at the time it took place. It appears Antonelli may now have received further coverage sufficient to pass the WP:GNG. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:40, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Per my comment below, changed my opinion upon deeper evaluation of the sources. At best case, a WP:BARE notability on WP:GNG, and an obvious failure of WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:NTEMP clearly says that "Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." She meets WP:GNG through i (newspaper), CNN and Formula Scout bits cited in the article already. There's also more at Capital (French magazine), and Gazette Series (published by Newsquest) . It definitely reads a bit promotional, but that's something the AfD is not for. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:43, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Of the sources you provided, the CNN one is an interview, the Capital one just speaks about her background, her backers, and so on—they all basically go on a tangent about how good she is and how much she is going to make history, but only the iNews one actually focuses on her achievements, whereas the Gazette Series is just short coverage of a very minor local karting competition. The Formula Scout one is a bit eh, it's good coverage but the topic isn't that significant and making the list isn't particularly worthy. All it suggests to me is she has a good publicist, as the nominator mentioned. Her results are largely uninspiring and competing for a spot in the FDA is nowhere near notable, especially when she didn't even make the finals and the 2021 winners (Laura Camps Torras and Maria Germano Neto) don't have an article. If Antonelli, Ugochukwu and a literal GP3 driver are all deletable, then I see zero reason to keep this one. MSport1005 (talk) 19:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've given the sources a very detailed look. The reason why I mentioned CNN is because, beyond the interview quoting, there is some independent reporting on her in separate sentences. But, I have realized the 2nd half is all basically about Stevens' staff, and not her alone in fact. So, I've struck that one out. Capital is actually copying the CNN's article, so that one is thrown to the garbage bin too. Like you said, iNews is good. While I believe that Formula Scout is WP:SIGCOV, Gazette Series' isn't (few sentences only). So I come to the WP:BARE situation, where I myself will lean and change my vote to delete. If Stevens achieves something in the future, the article could always be recreated. As a notice, I'd support an instant recreation for Antonelli, just like I said above. The sources I posted were never discussed in AfDs, and per guidelines (would need a bit of new text of course), if added there, it would bypass G4 deletion. Ugochukwu's coverage is very WP:ROUTINE (beyond one decent Autoweek article) and McLaren tied from what an initial glance, sadly. And like WP:NMOTORSPORT says, only GP2/F2 as top-level feeder fulfills the notability criteria, so GP3 is just not reaching it. Thank you for doing a reply to me, because it made me go deeper into all of this, as I change my views when faced with good points. Cheers, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * For clarity, I don't support the re-creation of Ugo Ugochukwu's article. He's got quite some independent coverage, magnified of course by his signing for McLaren, but he's a pretty overrated karting driver in my opinion, and is set to make his racing debut in a way easier series compared to Antonelli (and Antonelli has already had decent success in Italian and UAE F4). MSport1005 (talk) 21:58, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. - "Ghost  of  Dan Gurney"  17:12, 25 January 2022 (UTC)


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