Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ellen Dickson (mayor)


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The result was redirect to List of mayors of Summit, New Jersey. Liz Read! Talk! 06:51, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Ellen Dickson (mayor)

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Article fails WP:POLITICIAN, Ellen Dickson served as mayor for a small town in New Jersey.Sources do not expand on her after this. As per WP:BEFORE I looked around and I can't find anything else about her moving up into higher office or otherwise passing WP:BIO.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 00:02, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Removed recurring star ledger source I accidentally cited twice, which is listed as reaching notability.
 * Found better source for 2015 election.
 * transcript of farewell speech published by the city is relevant to what she did in office.
 * also added a NY times article mentioning her 2015 election, an NPR source talking about her handling of hurricane sandy and PBS source talking about the closing of the Merck plant. Also added a publication from Union County about her work to revitalize city parks.
 * Scu ba (talk) 00:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I feel like I should also mention my rational for notability being that
 * 1) Summit is a city, not a small town
 * 2) Dickson and her two elections is representative of the shift of the city away from a republican stronghold to a democratic stronghold. Her actions helped in this process, namly the mishandling of Hurricane sandy and the go ahead with the sale of the Merck plant
 * Scu ba (talk) 23:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey @Scu ba, I didn't know there was a difference between a Town and a City in New Jersey, in California there's no difference, kind of neat to learn something new everyday. So if you look at the Source assessment table I included you can see my rationale for why the sources didn't pass for establishing notability. In WP:POLITICIAN it says that "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability". If Dickson had run for a high office at the state or federal level she would be notable. If there was significant coverage of her as per WP:GNG then we could use that policy to establish notability, but in the source assessment table we see that the sources wouldn't pass WP:GNG. I also did look for other sources that could support keeping this article. It's a required part of the deletion process, and I couldn't find anything that wasn't already there or would count as significant coverage.
 * As for your new sources and her speech
 * New York Times
 * The article is about the town not Dickson, she has two short sentences saying she likes living in the town that she's the mayor of.
 * WNYC
 * Coverage is about the power being out in her town and that if it doesn't come back on she's going to her Vermont house.
 * Union County Website
 * This only mentions that she was at the opening of a park. She isn't the focus of the press release.
 * Dickson Speech
 * This wasn't an article about the speech or an analysis of it. It's just the speech and we can't use primary sources to establish notability. Doesn't mean they can't be used or aren't important See WP:PRIMARY
 *  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 05:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What im having trouble understanding is that you yourself said The Star-Ledger passes WP:GNG notability. If we have a source that makes her notable, and then smaller sources that flesh out what she did, why doesn't the article as a whole pass notability? Should I remove everything that isn't mentioned in the star-ledger source? Sorry for the confusion. Scu ba (talk) 15:42, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's ok you haven't done anything wrong. So if you look at the subject notability guidelines for people it says that there needs to be multiple sources that pass not just one. It's presumed that people are notable if there is significant coverage from multiple published secondary sources that are reliable and independent of each other. If you're running into problems trying to find sources or get a handle of things head over to the Teahouse and ask a question over there, the editors over there are really good at helping new people figure out the ropes and they're honestly really nice.  Dr vulpes  (💬 • 📝) 20:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, so in summery, I need to find another source like the star-ledger?. There are currently 16 sources on this article. I believe that warrants notable discussion in the media.
 * Scu ba (talk) 22:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to consider Redirect option. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:41, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women,  and New Jersey. Curbon7 (talk) 12:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of mayors of Summit, New Jersey after bringing over references and other relevent info (partial merge). Djflem (talk) 07:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete: Only mayor of metropolis city are notable. Contributor008 (talk) 17:36, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.