Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ellen Durkee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Green Party of Nova Scotia. Quoting WP:OUTCOMES is not a strong argument. Note that it also says "previous outcomes do not bind future ones" and "Notability always requires verifiable evidence". That evidence has not been shown to exist here. ‑Scottywong | spill the beans _ 15:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Ellen Durkee

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Does not meet the criteria for WP:POLITICIAN. No significant coverage in the media. West Eddy (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep as a former leader of a registered political party. Falls under WP:OUTCOMES. Me-123567-Me (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Possible conflict of interest: Me-123567-Me has identified as a Green Party supporter on his/her user page. West Eddy (talk) 06:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, not notable, an interim leader while no election was called. 117Avenue (talk) 03:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Leaders of registered political parties at the national or major sub-national (state, province, prefecture, etc.) level are usually considered notable regardless of that party's degree of electoral success. WP:OUTCOMES#People Pdacortex (talk) 04:12, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nova Scotia-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Notability is not determined by imposing blanket rules like "all leaders of political parties are inherently notable", but by the presence or absence of coverage about her in reliable sources. A political party leader is certainly always valid as a potential article topic, but valid referencing still has to be present — and standard AFD practice has always allowed for a political party leader to be redirected to the article on the party, and not given a standalone article, if legitimate, substantial coverage of her in reliable sources is not present and cannot be added. Accordingly, keep if the article can be spruced up to meet proper notability and sourcing standards within the next week, and redirect to Green Party of Nova Scotia if it can't. There is no "it will get cleaned up someday" exemption for biographies of living people anymore, and it's not good enough to point to the existence of possible sources that never actually get added to the article — the article either actually gets cleaned up immediately or it goes, no in between. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)




 * Redirect as per Bearcat. The coverage just isn't there to justify a BLP, near as I can tell. But, she was the leader of a national party, which means that her name may well be a reasonable search term. That makes the redirect a good option. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:22, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Note also that she was only an interim head of the party, and was unsuccessful in her effort to be elected to the post. If we're considering inherent notability (and ignoring lack of sources), that becomes a bit of a factor. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 15:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Interim or not, she was still a leader. And many Green Parties like Nova Scotia elect a new leader each year, and many of them will never see a general election. Notability is not temporary. --Me-123567-Me (talk) 16:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * That's as may be. But if the notability came from "Being elected as leader of..." rather than "Being leader of...", then it's absolutely relevant. But the coverage issue trumps that one, at least in the near term. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 17:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, having rotating office holders diminishes the notability of anyone in that role, as it dilutes the meaning of the title. 117Avenue (talk) 03:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:OUTCOMES#People is clear: Elected and appointed political figures at the national level are generally regarded as notable, as are usually those at the major sub-national level (US state, Canadian province, Japanese prefecture, etc.) Political leaders are given special consideration WP policies because they do influence public opinion. Even the from the small parties. After all, all political parties start small, and their early history, which is comprised of their early leaders, is important to document. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdacortex (talk • contribs) 06:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Pdacortex, see Bearcat's comment above about this blanket rule.West Eddy (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - I agree that a redirect is what is appropriate here. Also, relevant info can be included at Green Party of Nova Scotia. West Eddy (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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